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compmage Member (Idle past 5183 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
Something interesting I found while surfing the net. I thought it might help creationist save face
Dear Creationist, We who follow conventional science appreciate your zeal and commitment in desiring to show us the errors of evolution. However, it has been our experience that the vast majority of challengers such as yourself are woefully unequipped for this endeavor. So in order to save us all some time and grief, and to keep you from making an utter fool of yourself, we have prepared this text to help you out. Step 1: Do you know anything at all about evolution? (you'd be surprised how many creationists don't) Please answer the following yes or no questions: 1. Does evolution rely entirely on randomness? 2. Does evolution violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics? 3. Does evolution say anything about the origin of life? 4. Does evolution say anything about the origin of the universe? 5. Does evolution deny the existance of God? 6. Does evolution proceed from simplicity to complexity? 7. Does evolution proceed from lower to higher lifeforms? 8. Does evolution incorporate the notion of progress? 9. Does evolution have any moral consequences? 10. Does evolution stipulate any political attitudes? 11. Is evolution incompatible with any major religion? 12. Is it true that their are no transitional forms? Step 2: Scoring. Count up the number of times you answered "yes". If this number is zero, proceed to step 3. Otherwise slam your head against the wall as many times as you answered "yes" and go back to step 1. Step 3: Materials. Do you have any materials authored by members of the ICR? If so throw them away. Use them here and you will be held responsible for the baltant lies and stupidity in them. Step 4: Conventional Science Quotes. Are you planning to present quotes from conventional scientists that seem to express disagreement with evolution? If so, make sure that you have them from the original sources and that they are quoted in full and in context. If you have misquotes and typical creationist butcher jobs, you will be destroyed without mercy. Step 5: Creationist Quotes. If you have quotes from creationists, they'd better be supported. And if the creationists claim educational or scientific backgrounds, degrees, titles, and such, you'd better check them and make sure they are accurate. If we catch you quoting liars, we will treat you as a liar yourself. Step 6: Anecdotes. If you have stories of things that you think bolster your case, be prepared to cite verifiable specifics. Be assured that you will be checked up on. --- By Dr Pepper ------------------compmage
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compmage Member (Idle past 5183 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: Here is the page where I found this;
http://www.holysmoke.org/cretins/cre-test.htm quote: This is, unfortunately, true. I posted this more as a joking jab than anything else. What is most disturbing though is its accuracy. I am the first one to admit that my knowledge of science is nowhere near what I would like it to be, however, most creationist know even less than I do. One this forum though, there are a few creationist who have more knowledge about certain fields of science than I do, unfortunately, even these sometimes fail to notice, or acknowlege, some glaring mistakes in their original premise or logic. ------------------compmage
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compmage Member (Idle past 5183 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: No.
quote: Personally? Never. I have seen others 'claim' this, however it is not a 'claim' given that it can be backed up by evidence.
quote: Again I have never personally implied this but those that have have been able to show that it is fact.
quote: See above.
quote: Yes because I have yet to see a creation "scientists" follow the scientific method. It is therefore misleading to call them scientists, hence the quotations.
quote: I do, everytime I argue with a creationist ------------------compmage
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compmage Member (Idle past 5183 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: Might well be but I have never seen it claimed without evidence.
quote: I don't have them because I never implied this. I do remember a certain "Dr" Hovind..ring a bell?
quote: Again since I never called creationists incompetent or liers I don't have this evidence.
quote: Fair enough. Although I would then be far happier just calling them creationists to avoid any percieved insult from the quotations. I am not willing to call them scientists when refering to their work in a mostly religious endevour, especially when they attempt to pass creation science off as real science.
quote: I'm glad you liked it ------------------compmage [This message has been edited by compmage, 04-16-2002]
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compmage Member (Idle past 5183 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: Wrong. Evolution has nothing to do with simplicity or complexity.
quote: Same, but for lower and higher lifeforms. Nothing to do with evolution.
quote: Wrong again. Evolution does not equal development. Evolution equals change.
quote: Evolution doesn't comment at all about the nature of god(s). Any incompatibility is in the eyes of the religious (opinion).
quote: Only flexible if you are trying to assert that there are no transitionals.
quote: Biased, perhaps. Fed up, more likely. ------------------compmage
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compmage Member (Idle past 5183 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: However, as you state evolution doesn't say anything about 'simplicity' or 'complexity'. Any change would be evolution. Therefore evolution doesn't care about either of these. To say evolution 'creates' organism to move from simplicity to complexity is to misunderstand evolution. Evolution doesn't 'go' anywhere, it has no direction or goal.
quote: I wouldn't look in a dictionary for the definition of a scientific theory. Evolution is change. Development implies a goal or a direction. Evolution has none. Any percieved 'development' stems from the assumption that our current state is the goal or is along the path toward the goal of evolution. We are not the pinicle of evolution.
quote: Exactly. If 'you' personally misinterpret evolution and percieve an incompatability, that would be 'your' problem. It has absolutely nothing to do with evolution and everything to do with 'you'.
quote: Almost every fossil species ever discovered is in some way transitional. ------------------compmage
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compmage Member (Idle past 5183 days) Posts: 601 From: South Africa Joined: |
quote: You have posted vitually this identical post in 3 different threads that I have seen. I really think that once is enough. If it has relevance to all the threads why not just post it once and post a link in each thread? ------------------compmage
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