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Author Topic:   Creationist: Before you start debating evolutionists..
TrueCreation
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Message 41 of 51 (8741)
04-20-2002 8:32 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by compmage
04-11-2002 11:00 AM


"Step 2: Scoring. Count up the number of times you answered "yes". If this number is zero, proceed to step 3. Otherwise slam your head against the wall as many times as you answered "yes" and go back to step 1."
--What a hoot. Got an 'A' there. Though of course any Evolutionary knowledgable person would question these questions:
"3. Does evolution say anything about the origin of life?
4. Does evolution say anything about the origin of the universe?"
--Clarification on 3 and 4 would have been 'biological evolution'.
"6. Does evolution proceed from simplicity to complexity?"
--They should have clarified on the point of is this an 'always' pattern as they did in question #1, because it does and it doesn't do this.
"7. Does evolution proceed from lower to higher lifeforms?"
--See last comment.
"8. Does evolution incorporate the notion of progress?"
--This either needs clarification or the answer is Yes, Evolution = Developement, Developement = Progression.
"11. Is evolution incompatible with any major religion?"
--Not too valid on the point that it is opinionated.
"12. Is it true that their are no transitional forms?"
--Much too flexible.
"Step 3: Materials. Do you have any materials authored by members of the ICR? If so throw them away. Use them here and you will be held responsible for the baltant lies and stupidity in them."
--Well aren't we biased!
"Step 4: Conventional Science Quotes. Are you planning to present quotes from conventional scientists that seem to express disagreement with evolution? If so, make sure that you have them from the original sources and that they are quoted in full and in context. If you have misquotes and typical creationist butcher jobs, you will be destroyed without mercy.
Step 5: Creationist Quotes. If you have quotes from creationists, they'd better be supported. And if the creationists claim educational or scientific backgrounds, degrees, titles, and such, you'd better check them and make sure they are accurate. If we catch you quoting liars, we will treat you as a liar yourself.
Step 6: Anecdotes. If you have stories of things that you think bolster your case, be prepared to cite verifiable specifics. Be assured that you will be checked up on."
--No problem.
--Is it just me or does it come to mind that Dr. Pepper isn't very fond of Creationism on any grounding? I guess that after looking at some of the steps, compmage should slam his head against the wall as many times as I made comment on the questions, or is this Dr. Peppers job? Heck, why not both do it.
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TrueCreation
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Message 43 of 51 (8816)
04-22-2002 10:23 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by compmage
04-22-2002 2:03 AM


"Wrong. Evolution has nothing to do with simplicity or complexity."
--Your only resort is to say that complexity is simply opinionated, which it is not. Nucleotide sequencing in length and composition on biochemical grounds is extreamly compex, and it is even hightened in complexity and structure as you view sequencing of more 'advanced' organisms. This process according to evolutionary theory simply fluctuates and is not a linear prospect of 'simplicity to complexity', but simply 'decent with modification'.
"Same, but for lower and higher lifeforms. Nothing to do with evolution."
--Not directly of course, see my last statements.
"Wrong again. Evolution does not equal development. Evolution equals change."
--Please consult a dictionary:
quote:
evolution Pronunciation Key (v-lshn, v-)
n.
A gradual process in which something changes into a different and usually more complex or better form. See Synonyms at development.
The process of developing.
Gradual development.

Biology.
Change in the genetic composition of a population during successive generations, as a result of natural selection acting on the genetic variation among individuals, and resulting in the development of new species.
The historical development of a related group of organisms; phylogeny.
A movement that is part of a set of ordered movements.
Mathematics. The extraction of a root of a quantity.
--I think you see what I am pin-pointing.
"Evolution doesn't comment at all about the nature of god(s). Any incompatibility is in the eyes of the religious (opinion)."
--Exactly.
"Only flexible if you are trying to assert that there are no transitionals."
--The same pertains if you are to argue that there are. (also, transitional should have been defined)
"Biased, perhaps. Fed up, more likely."
--I'm glad that it were not you that had wrote it (unless your Dr. Pepper), he seemingly either has a missunderstanding of his own belief or chose not to include a more sufficient essay.
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