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Author Topic:   Creationist: Before you start debating evolutionists..
mark24
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Message 4 of 51 (8467)
04-12-2002 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Percy
04-11-2002 12:10 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Percipient:
When I look back over the years that I've participated in this debate it's humbling (and uncomfortable) to reflect on the number of times I've been wrong. At various times I've screwed up 2LOT, quantum theory, population genetics and Biblical interpretation, to mention just a few. Perhaps it's just that my talents are meager, but I think it more likely that many on the evolution side, while perhaps better informed on average about scientific matters than their Creationist brethren, still have a long way to go themselves.
--Percy

Percy, nothing wrong with being wrong. It's the ability to recognise it, & incorporate new things into your world view that is the REAL difference.
Mark
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Occam's razor is not for shaving with.

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mark24
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Message 12 of 51 (8486)
04-12-2002 8:38 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Robert
04-12-2002 3:15 PM


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Originally posted by Robert:
This puts into mind question #7 above. It seems to me that the first single-celled organism was far less complex than a human being. Such an observation would suggest that life evolved (that is if evolution is true) from "simple" to "complex"? No?
If I answer "yes" to #7 in the fashion above then should I start banging my head?
Robert

We see both a transition from simple to complex, & complex to less complex. As you correctly point out, the fossil record shows an overall increase in complexity. But it doesn't preclude loss of complexity, limb loss, atavistic traits etc. Adaptive evolution is exactly that, if it "makes sense" to lose structures, then they will atrophy, & complexity is lost. See Sperm whale hind limbs, & horse toes, no longer present even in all members of the populations.
Mark
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mark24
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Message 15 of 51 (8493)
04-13-2002 4:57 AM
Reply to: Message 13 by Robert
04-13-2002 12:56 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Robert:
Socialists use the term "social darwinism" in order to spread their political agendas. Hitler actually used darwinism as a defense of Germans as the "master race". This also brings in the idea of racism. If white people are more evolved than black people because they don't look like apes, then wouldn't it be logical to claim black people as less evolved and less human?
Robert

How are black people more like apes, beyond a few superficial adaptions to tropical climes?
Mark
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