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natabelas
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Message 1 of 34 (770133)
09-30-2015 1:47 AM


I'm very impressed and very motivated to share a text that I read now:

http://functionspace.com/...-at-the-history-of-computing.pdf,

the text speak about two questions the first part is about how create a AI different from a turing machine (all AI works are based on turing machines including those that use quantum computation), here the authors are specialized, and are doing a very interesting work on electromagnetic fractal computation based conscious machine

http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

(where they are applying practically their ideas) and are founding their ideas embodied in the brain

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep07303,

where they inspired. Altrought I am very interested on that theory, and I am listing and ordering works that going to support that theory (of the electromagnetic mind), one part here other part there, in

http://emmind.science,

here I would like to give attention to the second part of the text, the one that speaks about evolution (it start in page 10)

Is not a very scientific text, in a classical scientific paper form, but it was very funny and poetic to read for me, and it resonates with that I have in mind about important questions of our site on the universe.

That is why I post this in the hope that someone resonate with the text too..

Here some quotes:

"Birth of a life form is by which a single pulse creates another pulse before disappearing for a particular clock, if we travel inside that clock we will find that a whole resonance chain is mirrored during a birth. Since every single resonance is dancing in the tune of a universal resonance chain therefore, evolution is a process by which a life form wants to modulate it's body's mass distribution such that it increases the density of resonance states in its chain and at the same time increase the length."

"If we believe in the resonance chain concept, then, a group of mass could generate a symmetry and link themselves at different small parts of the chain, thus a new species could born, all species do not have to come up from a single species. Millions of living species, the diversity originate from the fact that during the interaction of the resonance chain."

"Objective of life is to enrich the resonance chain, those who fail, disappear from the planet. Darwin's view of conflict of the matter is primitive, it's a dance of matter and wave. Mirroring the nature in the resonance chain is consciousness, density of allowed vibrational frequency and length of the chain determines the degree of consciousness. Brain performs only one computation in a life, it begins at the birth of a baby in the mother's womb and it ends with the death of the human life. A life is a single pulse of the lowest resonance frequency of a life form. This is the same with the universe too."

"...we proclaim that "perfect killing machines do not rule the world", "the more conscious does", this simple argument is sufficient enough to prove that Darwin's struggle for survival was an illusion, the killing of animals never destroys either of them. The definition of life that Darwin took into account. Nature never selects the better killing machines, nature select better conscious machines."

" There is no tree of life, an attempt to find similarity between the simple and the complex life structure there is only one chain of resonance. The Darwin's theory of evolution is alive because of the beautiful movie plots, the data we have is a similarity in the organs of different species and we cook a story of struggle for transformation one species to another [11]. The theory of conversion of a fish into a four legged animal contains multiple such stories where far distant pictures are real and the stories are simply our imagination, when we will have more evidences of similarities, the tree of life created by Darwin will turn into the bush and then it will turn into a sphere, since lines coming out of the connecting points will cover everything. On the other hand, if we have a resonance chain [9], a very particular local part of the chain is selected for the life to form due to the constraints in the environment, then the materials and symmetries to be generated will have similarities, but they could originate from different routes independently."

Something may be changing in science when someone working at MIT write those paragraphs

Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Gave all the links their own line, with space around them.

Edited by natabelas, : Fixed: "AI" instead of "IA"

Fixed: "AI" instead of "IA"


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Message 2 of 34 (770135)
09-30-2015 1:56 AM


Thread Copied from Proposed New Topics Forum
Thread copied here from the Evolve to synchronize with the resonance chain of the collective thread in the Proposed New Topics forum.

Not sure what to make of this, but what the heck...

Adminnemooseus

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Message 3 of 34 (770137)
09-30-2015 5:43 AM
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09-30-2015 1:47 AM


It was hard to even try to make sense out of any of those quotes. Those quotes just are undecipherable. Then I had a look at your homepage, which goes to something which starts:

This website is created with the intent of supporting the theory that electromagnetism is the conscious and vital principle that permeates everything, and that with different patterns and in different scales it makes the systems more or less complex, conscious and alive.
Woo.
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Message 4 of 34 (770139)
09-30-2015 6:19 AM
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Pressie writes:

Woo.

Electro-vitalism.

Not even new woo.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 5 of 34 (770140)
09-30-2015 6:59 AM
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09-30-2015 6:19 AM


Woo'd-woo, then.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 6 of 34 (770143)
09-30-2015 7:58 AM
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09-30-2015 6:59 AM


but ...
... this explains those mysterious patterns in Star Trek episodes ... and how much evolution fits into 6 ft of DNA ...


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Message 7 of 34 (770146)
09-30-2015 8:32 AM
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Re: but ...
Yeah, according to the longest DNA the Paris japonica is the 'most evolved' organism on earth. Humans, eat your hats! We should all strive to evolve into flowers.
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Message 8 of 34 (770150)
09-30-2015 8:46 AM
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09-30-2015 1:47 AM


A source ?
I think that I have found the source of their understanding of evolution.
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natabelas
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Message 9 of 34 (770176)
09-30-2015 11:40 PM
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09-30-2015 5:43 AM


why woo
why woo?

only you read the mini-presentation to say no no no,

I remind you that linked text

http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

in the post, speaking exactly about that.

And here some hints in to the EMMind question:

There already are several theories that deal specifically with this principle for example:

The CEMI Field Theory: Closing the loop
http://epubs.surrey.ac.uk/763034/1/mcfadden_JCS_2013(a).pdf
The origins of the brain's endogenous electromagnetic field and its relationship to provision of consciousness
http://www.worldscientific.com/.../10.1142/S0219635214400056
Superradiant coherent photons and hypercomputation in brain microtubules considered as metamaterials
http://www.researchgate.net/.../5562358208ae8c0cab3333b4.pdf

it is not a new idea ...
The Electromagnetic Nature of Life - The Contribution of W. Sedlak to the Understanding of the Essence of Life
http://www.kul.pl/...cownicy/wnuk/artykuly/Wnuk_i2001s32.pdf

... but in recent years much progress is being made and there are at least one team developing a practical way, a machine with intelligence based on electromagnetic fields:

Design and Construction of a Brain-Like Computer: A New Class of Frequency-Fractal Computing Using Wireless Communication in a Supramolecular Organic, Inorganic System
http://www.mdpi.com/2078-2489/5/1/28

All this is supported from other branches of biology that may not directly address the consciousness but may be related to this if you have in mind what has been said so far:

-all related to morphogenesis:
Electromagnetic resonance and morphogenesis
http://www.trnres.com/...lscontent/T_143056136016%20fels.pdf
Membrane Patterns Carry Ontogenetic Information That Is Specified Independently of DNA
http://bio-complexity.org/.../view/BIO-C.2014.2/BIO-C.2014.2
Cracking the bioelectric code: Probing endogenous ionic controls of pattern formation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3689572/
Electromagnetic Fields as Structure-Function Zeitgebers in Biological Systems: Environmental Orchestrations of Morphogenesis and Consciousness
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4224074/

-the use of electromagnetic fields for recognition between biomolecules:
On the role of electrodynamic interactions in long-distance biomolecular recognition
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1403.2477v2.pdf
Is it possible to detect long- range interactions among biomolecules through noise and diffusion?

-and related to this the resonant recognition model:
Is it possible to predict electromagnetic resonances in proteins, DNA and RNA?
http://www.biomedcentral.com/...nt/pdf/s40366-015-0020-6.pdf
Novel Cosic resonance (standing wave) solutions for components of the JAK–STAT cellular signaling pathway: A convergence of spectral density profiles
http://www.sciencedirect.com/...rticle/pii/S2211546315000200

-electrical properties of DNA:
Electric DNA and Mind
http://jonlieffmd.com/blog/human-brain/electric-dna-mind
Searching for Electrical Properties, Phenomena and Mechanisms in the Construction and Function of Chromosomes
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3962117/

all this would help explain a number of surprising issues, such as:

How Do Cells Know What Size They Should Be
http://jonlieffmd.com/...cells-know-what-size-they-should-be
Intelligent Cells Know Their Place
http://jonlieffmd.com/.../intelligent-cells-know-their-place
Virus Tricks Manipulate the Cytoskeleton
http://jonlieffmd.com/...-tricks-manipulate-the-cytoskeleton

etc, etc.

It is also mentionable the special characteristics of water in biological systems (in any system in which there are many walls between water molecules in fact) and its behavior when affected by electromagnetic fields.
Illuminating water and life: Emilio Del Giudice
http://www.researchgate.net/.../559e358b08ae76bed0bb6e32.pdf

Also there are other lines of research that may be associated in some way with all of the above and are all studies on electromagnetic fields applied to biological systems on medical or experimental way and their non-thermal effects. And also it has to be point the unwanted effects of radiations emitted by technological and industrial era.

90% of the papers of the web are from peer review journals, it is only an alternative view (for me with more sense that others) please dont insult.


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Message 10 of 34 (770177)
09-30-2015 11:44 PM
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Re: but ...
I dont see star trek, i think that is fiction
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Message 11 of 34 (770178)
09-30-2015 11:48 PM
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09-30-2015 6:19 AM


In ten years there was great advances... and various discoveries if yo can read..

what is your believe? chemical happy party?


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Message 12 of 34 (770191)
10-01-2015 12:42 AM
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Hi, Natabelas

natabelas, quoting source writes:

Since every single resonance is dancing in the tune of a universal resonance chain therefore, evolution is a process by which a life form wants to modulate it's body's mass distribution such that it increases the density of resonance states in its chain and at the same time increase the length.

That sounds needlessly complicated. I've found it's generally easier to reverse the polarity of the primary phase modulators, but sometimes I have to use the manual override to bypass the subroutines. Doesn't that sound more efficient to you?

As a last resort, one might attempt to increase the tension on the helical fastener, which I think you'll find has gone a bit slack in this case.


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Message 13 of 34 (770192)
10-01-2015 1:28 AM
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Omnivorous writes:

Not even new woo.

Pressie writes:

Woo'd-woo, then.

Yep, I'm afraid so: It's a clear case of old woo in new battles.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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10-01-2015 1:35 AM
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natabelas writes:

what is your believe? chemical happy party?

Woo-hoo! Chemical happy party!

You betcha.

Seriously, though, your theory just doesn't resonate with me.

Our chemicals organize our circuits, not vice versa.


"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

Homo sum, humani nihil a me alienum puto.
-Terence


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Message 15 of 34 (770204)
10-01-2015 2:36 AM
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09-30-2015 11:40 PM


Woo Hoo
As far as Woo goes, when I was a teenager we discovered that if we made pyramids out of aluminum foil and sat under them, we could sense and observe increased brain electrical activity. that's all I remember profoundly.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain

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