Mt. Saint Helens now has it's own topic!

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Originally posted by akakscase:
OK... First of all let me start be saying I have seen Separation of sedimentation without floods, muds slides, or vulcanism. I live in Alaska and am within a 3 minute walk of the Trans-Alaska pipeline. As some of you may know, and others not, about 380 miles of the 800 mile long pipeline is 10 feet underground. Where I live is near the longest glacial silt river in the world. Nearby is also a swamp, muskeg, the dryest area in North America, and about a dozen other natural wonders and odities. and through this lays 87 miles of buried pipeline. Recently I was able to watch repairs being done to a section of the pipeline and as they dug it out I saw the same layers of sediment (silt, clay, gravel, mica, fermica, shist, and about a dozen others I don't know the names of) above the relatively new pipeline. I was curious as to why this happened so myself and a few other creationists got together and performed a rudementary test. We dug out a square archeologists box (50 ft by 50 ft) all the way to the bedrock (about 28 feet below our feet) mixed the dirt together and refilled the hole. We then drove a F-150 pick-up truck over it 100 times for the next 5 months. Afterwards we dug a 25 x 25 ft box in it all the way down to the bedrock. We found the same layers, although not as well defined, as we did when we originally dug the box. The effect of driving a 1 ton truck over it 28,000 times had caused the separation. The house my parents bought was built in 1960 on the banks of Jarvis Creek. The builders had again dug down to the bedrock (only about 18 feet there) and placed earthquake support stuctures under the foundation of the house filling it in again, then building the house. This was not common practice here, but not unheard of. In 1964 the largest Earthqueke ever recorded hit Alaska. The earthquake was centered in the sea south of Anchorage and Valdez. In Delta it shifted the course of 15 different rivers forever. My parents moved the house 6 years later. when they dug the support columns out they found perfectly formed strata that looked to have been there for "millions" of years. At a recent archealogical dig in the area (The Broken Mammoth site up by Shaw Creek) I watched an archeologits first uncover a beautiful bone rod, then 12 inches deeper uncovered the rusted blade and corroded handle of an iron knife with an ivory hilt. There had been no obvious tampering with the strata so the knife must have come before the rod. Now this might not be unusual except the archeologists also found evidence of stone working (Several chist blades, an obsidian arrowhead, and remanants of several hearths) almost 2 feet above the knife. None had apparently been tampered with. I would like to hear your opinions on this. The strata found in this area is pretty much the same type of strata found in the Grand Canyon.

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One last question for all you evolutionists: Do you belive man, dog, cats, moose, bears, tomatoes, apples, and broccoli, along will all other life evolved from a rock?

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JM: Now, far be it from me to claim that this whole thing is made up, but I would love to see formica being deposited in real time (lol). I doubt you saw these layers as ypu describe them. However, I am perfectly willing to accept your alternative theory that Noah drove an F-150 truck over the earth many many times during the flood and had a fetish for formica cabinets. You know, the people who visit this site aren't as dumb as you make out. NExt time, troll somewhere else.CheersJoe Meert

[QUOTE]Originally posted by edge:
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by Quetzal:
[B]I'm still waiting for an explanation on how he and his buds dug up 70,000 cu ft of permafrost with a swiss army knife... [/QUOTE]Well, to be fair, permafrost is discontinuous in the area around Delta. And, as you know, every Alaskan has a backhoe in their garage. The point remains that this is not a trivial task. [/B][/QUOTE]JM: True, but is there a lot of 'fermica' mining there?CheersJoe Meert

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Originally posted by wehappyfew:
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This fellow claims to have a MS in geology from UAF, which appears to have a pretty decent geology department. There is certainly plenty of interesting geology to study up there. The catalog has a nice selection of classes. Presumably our friend had to take at least a few of the more rigorous courses...

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... yet he makes whoppers like this:

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...all the ice that was in orbit almost litterally got sucked to earth by the shifted magnetic poles. It would melt as it entered the atmosphere and become rain.

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JM: Let's be fair, he did say he borrowed this idea from Kent Hovind. Nevertheless, it is quite obvious that if this guy ever did get a MS in geology, he's forgotten most of it. Let's deal with Hovind's comet 'hypothesis'. I've actually corrected his science directly to him, but he still uses it. Water (or ice), as with any substance is magnetic. However, the type of magnetism exhibited by water is diamagnetism which has the characterstic that it opposes any external field. That means that the ice ball would be (if anything) repelled by the magnetic field. Secondly, I asked Kent Hovind just how strong he thought the magnetic field was and I challenged him to take a large electromagnet and hurl an ice ball past it at 30 miles per hour and tell me if the electromagnet pulled it in (since the local magnetic field would be thousands of times greater than the earth's). Then I asked him how a diamagnetic substance hurtling through space at thousands of kph would be pulled in by the Earth's magnetic field. Hovind says 'well i didn't say it was right, i said it was just a theory'. Given this fellows penchant for quoting Hovind, is it any wonder he posts false credentials?Some cool experiments showing diamagnetism matchrockets.com - This website is for sale! - matchrockets Resources and Information.CheersJoe Meert[This message has been edited by Joe Meert, 10-02-2002]