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Message 32 of 279 (519368)
08-13-2009 11:56 AM

Reply to: Message 28 by Stile
08-13-2009 11:02 AM

Re: Faith vs. Delusion vs. Imagination

Hi Stile,

Stile writes:

With faith, we have no "working clock" to compare any claims against, and we are left with no way to know if the claims are ever true. We can't even tell if a faith-based claim is "right twice a day, but we can't tell when" or "completely wrong at all times."

I couldn't pass this one up.

You are correct when you say, "with faith, we have no 'working clock' to compare any claims against."

But when you say, "we are left with no way to know if the claims are ever true." I disagree.

I believe there is a God and I must be judged one day by Him.

You do not believe there is a God and you must be judged one day by Him.

One of us is correct the other is wrong.

If when I die there is nothing but death I will never know anything. I will not even know that I was wrong.

But if when I die I find myself before God being judged by Him I will know I was right whether I got my preparations right or not.

If when you die there is nothing but death you will never know you was right.

If on the other hand you die and find your self standing before God and being judged by Him you will know you were wrong.

Yea I know some kind of gambling thing. But who has the most to lose?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 48 of 279 (519390)
08-13-2009 1:19 PM

Reply to: Message 40 by Stile
08-13-2009 12:24 PM

Re: How ...nice?

Hi Stile,

Stile writes:

In Message 28 you said

quote:
"we are left with no way to know if the claims are ever true."

In Message 32 I simply demonstrated how you will have the answer and know whether the claims are true.

Stile writes:

I do not believe there is a Christian God as depicted by the Bible.

I stand corrected. You just don't believe in a Christian God.

The rest of your rant has nothing to do with my post.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 57 of 279 (519404)
08-13-2009 1:45 PM

Reply to: Message 45 by themasterdebator
08-13-2009 12:48 PM

Re: Faith vs. Delusion vs. Imagination

Hi master,

themasterdebator writes:

Essentially, the problem is you are acting like there are only 2 possible options. The Christian God exists or no God exists.

I may be wrong but I thought the specifics being discussed was there was no way to ever know if a certain Christian God existed.

Did I explain a way that if a specific Christian God exists Stile will know he exists? yes/no

The rest of your post is just preaching your message.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 60 of 279 (519408)
08-13-2009 1:58 PM

Reply to: Message 50 by Theodoric
08-13-2009 1:30 PM

Re: Faith vs. Delusion vs. Imagination

Hi Theodoric,

Theodoric writes:

There have been many criticism's of Pascal's Wager since it was first introduced. Logical it fails at first blush. It allows 2 choices: belief in the christian god or not. These are not the only possibilities so at initial glance the wager fails.

The only reason I hinted at Pascal's Wager is that I knew it would immediately be thrown into play.

But I was not giving an either or situation, with punishment or rewards.

I only stated that If the God I believe in exist Stile will know He exists.

He had made the statement there was no way ever to know.

So give me your best answer:

If God exists and you stand before Him to be judged will you know that God exists?

If so Stiles statement " but we have no way to ever know", is false.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 63 of 279 (519415)
08-13-2009 2:13 PM

Reply to: Message 58 by Straggler
08-13-2009 1:48 PM

Re: Faith vs. Delusion vs. Imagination

Hi Straggler,

In Message 32 I stated:

quote:
I believe there is a God and I must be judged one day by Him.

You do not believe there is a God and you must be judged one day by Him.

Stile corrected me in Message 40 telling me he did not believe in the Christian God of the Bible.

Well that is the one I believe in.

If Stile stands before that God to be judged will Stile know He exists? yes/no

God Bless,

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Message 68 of 279 (519426)
08-13-2009 2:57 PM

Reply to: Message 65 by Stile
08-13-2009 2:22 PM

Re: How ...unsatisfying?

Hi Stile,

Sorry to dissapoint you.

Stile writes:

Um. Yes, I suppose you did. In the most irrelevent manner possible.

But if you could know by evidence today there would be no such thing as faith.

And this discussion would be impossible.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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