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INTELLIGENT DESIGN: An Engineer’s Approach

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Message 6 of 302 (369725)
12-14-2006 11:54 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by limbosis
12-14-2006 8:35 AM

As I see it, the biggest flaw in your argument is that you ignore 99% of the life-forms on earth.
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Sure, all automobiles are basically the same design and that design is derived from horse-drawn carriages and that design is derived from....
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But what about the ball-point pens and the igloos? Would your phantom designer use the same materials to build them? Wouldn't that be a sure way to lose his job?
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Why would he use the same basic design for bacteria and trees? Do engineers design an airplane by modifying a submarine?
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If it all was "designed", it's pretty clear why the "designer" doesn't want to reveal his true nature: he's an incompetent moron who's afraid of his boss.
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Message 47 of 302 (370035)
12-15-2006 7:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 46 by NOT JULIUS
12-15-2006 7:46 PM

pilate_judas writes:
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The answer is this: why not? For economy or efficiency reasons?
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Why would a powerful "designer" - God or otherwise - be constrained by economics?
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12-16-2006 2:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 54 by limbosis
12-16-2006 2:33 AM

limbosis writes:
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... why would we assume that a designer, as limited as ours would appear to be, did not concern itself with economics?
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Are we not talking about a designer who supposedly designed every single living creature on the face of the earth? Incompetent moron though he might have been, he had a pretty large stock of resources to draw on - i.e. the entire earth. It's just ludicrous to suggest that economy of resources was a factor.
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As for economy of ideas, are we not talking about an "intelligent" designer? Intelligence generally suggests more ideas than one has resources to implement.
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Or are you thinking of some other kind of economics?
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Message 68 of 302 (370249)
12-16-2006 6:45 PM 		Reply to: Message 65 by limbosis
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limbosis writes:
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... when a design is agreed upon....
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Are we talking about design by committee now?
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... the implementor would need to faithfully stick to that.
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Why?
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... even when some better design presents itself too far along into the "prototype" stage.
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So you are talking about design by trial-and-error.
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I have a lot of trouble reconciling the design of every living creature on the face of the earth with such a grossly limited "designer". I think most IDists would be disappointed in your conception of the "intelligent" designer, too.
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12-17-2006 7:09 PM 		Reply to: Message 76 by limbosis
12-17-2006 4:58 PM

limbosis writes:
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BTW, how do you bold and italicize?
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[b]bold[/b] and [i]italics[/i].
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You can find more dbCodes to the left of the editing window. You can also click the "Peek" button in the lower right-hand corner of each post to see how the special effects are done. (I've requested a "Fireworks" button, but Percy's dragging his feet.)
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...I think most IDists would be disappointed in your conception of the "intelligent" designer, too.
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That doesn't bother me in the slightest.
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So you're dropping all pretense about your topic being "Intelligent Design"?
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Maybe we need to get Behe and his cronies to copyright the term "Intelligent DesignTM", so every Tom, Dick and Harry can't use it for completely unrelated subjects.
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(You can also use HTML tags like <sup>TM</sup>.)
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Message 168 of 302 (371810)
12-23-2006 10:11 AM 		Reply to: Message 166 by jaywill
12-23-2006 6:44 AM

Re: Assuming that We'd listen
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This feels to us like a cat being stroked on her fur the wrong direction.
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Exactly. It's the rubber who is wrong, not the rubbee.
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If I design/build a house that accumuluates too much snow on the roof, is it the house's fault or mine? If I design/build a car that bursts into flames when I turn left, is it the car's fault or mine?
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Why does the "designer" get a free pass? Why blame the victim?
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The rubber needs to learn how to rub correctly.
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