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lyx2no
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Message 50 of 480 (536415)
11-22-2009 11:47 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by traderdrew
11-22-2009 10:02 PM


Christopher Reeve
There is a part of intelligent design that is science. People continue to intelligently design objects with great success.
I have a friend named Atlas. And this may be hards to believe, but even with a name like that, he is totally unable to shoulder the world.
It was not like any other natural experience or phenomenon I have experienced. It made me feel very uncomfortable. It was a presence in my room.
I've not experienced kissing a girl yet. I hope that when I finally do I don't mistake her for a ghost and run screaming out of the room.
I.D. is different from Creationism despite what they write around here.
No one here says they aren't different. But I.D. is the natural son of Creationism. Born of its mother's womb, yet taught at its mother's breast to deny its parentage so that it might, like Moses, come to age amongst the scribes.
I.D. is something else other than science and religion.
Another trait it shares with cow pies.
I should do more investigating but I believe the design is because we feel emotions in our bodies and we can convey them through the sounds of our voices. We can convey trouble or stress or fright with our voices. When we feel emotions we do not feel them in our brains, we feel emotions in our bodies.
We do not feel emotions in our bodies our bodies feel the hormones released per order of the emotional brain. Do you think Christopher Reeve became emotionless after his accident? Ya' think maybe the Vulcans could have just rigged the binding on their kids ski boots instead of doing all of that intensive mind training?
This is my hypothesis and as I say I should investigate it further but to prove that it is a bad design (I.D. is falsifiable, believe it or not) then remove or rewire the nerve surgically and find out what happens
You lose your license and go to jail.
Edited by lyx2no, : Typo.

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Message 61 of 480 (536472)
11-23-2009 10:01 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by traderdrew
11-23-2009 1:02 AM


Tapped
[EFT] is about tapping on body points in order to change emotional states.
And after reading your posts I will go ahead and agree you're tapped.
I think we're done here.

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Message 77 of 480 (536532)
11-23-2009 4:12 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by slevesque
11-23-2009 3:02 PM


Oh! Please
I would be interesting to know what are those reasons to think it has no function ?
How about because it's bloody obvious. The nerve can be likened to an extension cord running all around the house to plug in a lamp that is sitting right next to an outlet. What does one have to know to realize that that is not a good idea? What could possibly be the advantage? Just plugged the lamp directly into the outlet?
An appeal to our current level of knowledge also isn't a reason, because we all agree that our knowledge is far from complete
Yes, we can. Our idiocy is not complete either.
There is nothing difficult about it. The nerve is connected on this end, and it's connected on that end with nothing in between and insulated from one end to the other. We can see it's not connected to anything.
How far down the stupidity trail are you willing to go to protect your silly little bias, all the while accusing everyone else of being blinded by their paradigm?

It's not the man that knows the most that has the most to say.
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lyx2no
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Message 79 of 480 (536538)
11-23-2009 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by cavediver
11-23-2009 4:26 PM


Re: Oh! Please
Go easy, lyx2no... slevesque is a lot brighter than most we see here
You are, of course, right. But that he isn't an idiot makes the idiocy all the more bitter a pill.

Hey tis--strange. Still working on the twins thread.

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Message 84 of 480 (536547)
11-23-2009 6:28 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by slevesque
11-23-2009 5:04 PM


Straw Man
So, you are affirming that there is no possible way that the route it takes could have a function ?
Do you really need to resort to this kind of silliness. What is gained by posing the question? Be it known that I can not affirm that you are not Ronald Wilson Reagan.
But wait, that's all wrong isn't it. I can affirm that you are not Ronnie to anyone who isn't nuts. The evidence for such a claim is more then adequate to even vaguely reasonable people. Partially because for you to be Ronnie would be fraught with difficulties. Think of all the tight-lipped folks who would have to be involved in such an deception.
For this nerve to have a function based upon it circuitous route it would have to function unlike any other nerve. It would somehow have had to developed the ability of transmitting signals through its myelin sheath. Something that would be seriously deleterious to its known function. And it would have to do so without leaving a trace of its actions.
Or do you suggest it is not a usual function of a nerve, signal transmission, but possibly a mechanical function, like keeping a finger on a turn so a pal can finish a knot? Are you waiting on bated breath that someday, somewhere a baby will be born without one. Then out comes the Doctor saying, "Bummer news, Mister Jones. Your baby was born without a recurrent laryngeal nerve and all his guts fell out. Nothing to be done I'm afraid but tell sleveque that he was right all along."
You have no reason to believe that there is a function to going the long way round the bush. You have reason to believe that the are disadvantages to going the long we round he bush. How do you conclude from this that there is a hidden function of going the long way round the bush?
Well, it doesn't really matter what you make up because it is just a fall back into the same game you seem to play in every circumstance: We don't know everything so we can pretend we know nothing. Solution of the gaps, as it were.

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Message 244 of 480 (565966)
06-22-2010 9:15 AM
Reply to: Message 243 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 9:07 AM


Good and Bad
Almost every other herbivore makes do with eating grass and a reasonable size neck.
And giraffes don't have to compete with every other herbivore, which is good.
I'm betting if you'd just look up the meanings of the words "good" and "bad" this whole RLN as good design argument would evaporate.

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Message 252 of 480 (565978)
06-22-2010 9:58 AM
Reply to: Message 248 by Big_Al35
06-22-2010 9:35 AM


Agreed
If a designer exists then he has every right to do stupid things with his creation just as he has every right to do clever things.
Which means, under the present circumstances, that there can be no evidence of design. Have you ceded your argument?
Edited by lyx2no, : Qualifyer.

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lyx2no
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Message 255 of 480 (565984)
06-22-2010 10:27 AM
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06-22-2010 10:09 AM


Re: Agreed
Sorry, Big_A. I edited my statement to qualify it before I saw your response. I'll explain: God could give evidence of design if he so choose. He could add a label for example. He either choose not to or he didn't design. As God can design any way he wants, we have no way of knowing which.
If you believe that a mangled car is no evidence of design...then that is a matter for you and you alone.
A mangled (why mangled?) car would be evidence for design. That is because cars have no method of developing without assistance. That is not true of mangled cats. It is your insistence that cats have no method of developing without assistance that you were attempting to supply evidence for. I thing you're losing the drift of your own argument.

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