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Author Topic:   What gives God the right to be "holy"?
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Message 63 of 138 (537544)
11-29-2009 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by cavediver
11-28-2009 3:47 AM


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What gives God the right to be "holy"?
cavediver writes:
What we have here is an "ultimate" consciousness that decides that it is "holy". It gives its newly created beings free-will, and some rules. A rule gets broken, and because this ultimate being has decided that it is "holy" and rule-breaking is something that cannot be tolerated, its entire creation will suffer. Not content with just wiping out his creation for this perceived slight against its own self-determined holiness, it consigns A&E and all of their descendants to ETERNAL SUFFERING... And this just because God has decided that it is holy, and cannot abide rule-breaking.
The fact is that God didn't suddenly discover itself holy - if it wants to take on such a mantle, then fair enough, but it is a choice. And it is this choice that leads to hell and eternal suffering.
Interesting argument, or discussion, if you will. How dare God define the terms of reality? (IF God exists, of course. ) Personally, I have no problems with God being Holy. I would have a much bigger problem if God were evil or unfair. I DO have a problem with humans being sinners. It would have been much easier for God to have also made us Holy.
JUC writes:
So, we have free-will and God has free-will. So in that respect we are equal and God has no superiority to declare itself "holy" any more than we do.
Depends, of course, on who determines the definition of the word and whether the "Creator" mantle carries any weight in the grand scheme of things.
Slavesque writes:
I think the answer would be that God didn't decide to be holy, but that he is holy. In the same way that he doesn't 'decide' to be righteous, or love, or truth, etc. This is simply how he is. And this is how he presents himself in the Bible.
I never heard of any verse which said that God 'decided' to be holy. Only verses that said that he is.
So even God has limitations? He has to be holy?
cavediver writes:
This thread is about tearing down the obfuscation of your theological babble to reveal it for the nonsense it is - and believe me, I believed the exact same things you do for a great long time.
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