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Author Topic:   What gives God the right to be "holy"?
Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 4 of 138 (537152)
11-27-2009 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by cavediver
11-27-2009 5:03 AM


We all have a choice!
It has never made any sense to me that God would give us free-will and then punish us for using that free-will.
But you raise a good point because I'd never really considered that of course God has free-will too.
So, we have free-will and God has free-will. So in that respect we are equal and God has no superiority to declare itself "holy" any more than we do.

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Jumped Up Chimpanzee
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Message 43 of 138 (537414)
11-28-2009 11:35 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by slevesque
11-27-2009 4:01 PM


Hi Slevesque
Of course, you are spot on that hell is the consequence of his holiness. But it is the because of what he is, not what he decided. If it really was a choice on his part to send us there, why would he ever have to become a man, and suffer and be humiliated and ultimately die. It makes no sense at all, since all he could have done was change his mind instead of having the crap beat out of himself ...
It sounds like God is not the one in control. If he doesn't have the choice about Hell, who does? Who made God in such a way that he doesn't have a choice. Who was God sacrificing himself/his son to? When Jesus was crucified, who suddenly said to God, "ah, ok, now you've gone through that I'll let you save some of those people"?
For me this is the biggest flaw in Christianity. One minute God is unquestionable, the next he's got things in such a mess he's doing things as hair-brained as deliberately getting himself nailed to a tree. I've known many people get themselves in all kinds of difficulties, make all kinds of mistakes, but never have any of them contrived to have themselves or their children suffer an excrutiating death. But hey, maybe we should all try it - after all, I'm not supposed to be able to understand how these things work.

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