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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
After reading this thread, I think I can sum this question up in one sentence: because god said so and that's how he is, how dare you question it.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Because he's great! Kind, gentle, patient, loving, considerate... Jesus? Sure. God? Not so much.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined:
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let me paint you a scenario:
I have two children (I have 3, but for this discussion I have 2). They are youngsters: still full of vibrance without a care in the world (just as A&E are portrayed in genesis). I leave them home....alone (they don't really get into stuff, I trust them. they're good kids. After all, I made them, right?). I tell them: "do not stick THIS knife in the socket, for surely you will be electrocuted". (they've never been electrocuted before, but this is still my choice of words). Now, next door lives a known villain/child molester/child kidnapper/general bad guy. I leave the patio door open, almost tempting this fella into my home. Who'da thunk it! he comes in and tells the kids I am wrong, and it's ok to stick the knife into the socket. Guess what: my little girl sticks the knife in the socket and feels a slight tingle. She thinks it feels neat. She runs ot her brother and tells him how neat it feels. The grimy old man says "see, I told you it wasn't so bad" I come home to see burn marks in the wall where they stuck the knife in the socket. (yada yada yada, A&E story continues)I banish ALL of my young'ns to eternity with the perv next door. All their kids. Their kids' kids. THEIR kids. so on and so on. I'm a great, loving parent, aren't I? Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Edited by hooah212002, : blasphemous spelling errors!!!!!
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Especially seeing that His Son already went to damnation on behalf of all that they might not go. How swell of jesus to pop into hell for a couple of days and give satan a "hey what's up. I'll destroy you later" for all of us, while the rest of the blasphemous heathens spend eternity there. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
A common misconception in the minds of atheists is that God payed Himself the price He had set for sin A common misconception of ignorant christians is to lump atheists together like a herd of sheep.
It cost Jesus his life, his blood, tears and sweat, not His weekend, to pay for mankind's sin. So, now this bible thumper says jesus is a mere mortal. you all should get together and stick to one explanation, it's getting confusing: jesus is god/jesus is a man/god the trinity/god the son.
Why do you hate a God that is just and loving? Who hates this god fella? I assume that is directed at atheists, which you jumbled into one neat little group. how can "we as atheists" hate that which is not there? Christians hate the FSM.
I see no other sane explanation that mere God-directed insolence?? I see no other explanation for your rant than seeing the world through childrens eyes. FSM directed insolence, rather.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
No, it is insolence direct towards God. No, your insolence is directed at the FSM.
The Bible says that Jesus is God. Then how is him dying for a few days a problem? Physical death hurts your almighty? Sounds pretty weak if you ask me.
I don't care about all Christians getting together to decide on what the Bible says more than what the Bible itself tells me. And such is the problem with christianity: it is not congruent. You all read the same book, worship the same guy....yet you all say something different.
And this is all that should matter to you when you are studying the Bible. Try to be less preachy. Don't tell me how I should read anything. ESPECIALLY if you christians can't even agree to read it the same way.
The Bible says that Jesus Christ (the second person of the Trinity) took the form of a human being... Ahh. So jesus christ created the earth? I thought he was a hippy jew who died on a cross? Again, of all the religious folk here, there are as many explanations for jesus as god.
Jesus was God in man's form. Wait, contradictory? you just said jesus took the form of man.....to be....jesus? Wow. The mental gymnastics you must go through....
Also, God is not to be thought of as a name, but as an essence. The essence "God" is characteristic of God the Father, Jesus the son and the Holy Spirit. Perhaps this clears some ambiguity? Ahh, so now god is not really "there" but a word used to describe 3 other things. No, the ambiguity is still ever present.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Unfortunately for this position, God has provided an alternative to our having to fulfill his expectation. That alternative is freely available to all men at all times anywhere in the world whether they've heard of God/Christ/the Bible or not. Ahh, so as long as I accept jesus as lord, I can be a complete fucktard? Now I see why you guys are the way you are: no repurcussions.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
You are currently a complete fucktard - albeit it one in denial So then, anyone who denies YOUR religion is a fucktard? Muslims are fucktards? Buddhists are fucktards? This, assuming you aren't taking a personal jab at me. If you are saying I, ME, PERSONNALLY am a complete fucktard....well sir, **** you.
After you accept Jesus as Lord you'll find your desire to be a complete fucktard interfered with by the one whose taking up residence in you you have accepted. Your being under new management doesn't mean you won't engage in fucktard activity. But you won't be a happy bunny doing so. Not any more. Well, all those priests sure had no qualms about what they did to those children. All those evangelicals who married 14 year old girls sure had no qualms. Guess jesus wasn't with them huh? They sure seemed happy........until they got caught. Edited by hooah212002, : moar crap
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I was giving you Christianities view on things Which flavor of christianity would that be? All of you christians on here claim to be christians, but few of you hardily agree on THE SAME BOOK.
me, you and everyone else ever born are evildoers of extreme degree Nope. i'm afraid not my friend. You may have been born evil, but I didn't commit evil until later on in my life. And it had fuck all to do with religion, or lack there of.
Rather, Christianities view on things is that you are a fucktard already and need rescuing from your fucktardiness. Which is why I stopped believing that wacky, ass-backward religion.
Christianities view on things is that anyone who rejects Gods attempt to save them.... What attempt? Usually when someone attempts to do something for someone....the other person is aware of it. However, the apologetics fail. Horribly. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Ahh. It's all so clear now. iano get's to determine who is a christian.
I purposely didn't link to the stories in particular to see what kind of spin you would put on it. You passed. (or failed)
1) Not everyone who considers themselves Christian are Christians (as defined by God) - whether the self-identifying tag happens to be "priest" or "evangelical". The individuals I was referring to sure had their entire congregation fooled then. I guess it doesn't take shit to become a spokesman for god huh. Edited by hooah212002, : added my sig, which has been failing to appear Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
1) Considered righteous in Gods sight. How wonderful god is that he considers child molesting priests righteous.
Far from denigrating it's followers, Christianity exalts them to the very highest of (admittedly undeserved) places. A(n adopted) child of God? There can be no more exalted position than that. Bar being God yourself. Maybe the test should be a little harder for ataining said positions.
Perhaps the reason you don't is that you've never met him. You've met god? What's he look like? Long grey beard, long grey hair. I always imagined he looks like Merlin, sans the wizard hat.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I'd view exposing a child to the gospel (and the need for it) in the same way as I'd view exposing a child to sex and sexuality: one page at a time > at a pace suitable for the childs stage of development. WOW. Just wow. The fact that you, an admitted person of faith, likens your particular flavor of religion to the teaching of sex. I find it abhorrent that this is the comparison that is drawn. Shouldn't it be as simple as: "god is good and if you are good you go to heaven which is good."? But no. You muddy the waters with sin and damnation.
It's all very well to have life-affirming thoughts but if that life is spend on a sinking Titanic then the enjoyment of the playing band only masks the icy waters to come. That's a false dichotomy only you and people of your ilk believe. Our titanic doesn't sink. It just stops. End game. No icy water.
You don't believe he exists because you've never met him. If you did you would believe he exists - naturally. I pose the same question as I did above. God doesn't show himself.
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
If this is my last post in this thread, let me leave by saying, all you that despise the God of the Bible, JUST-IN-CASE, the Bible turns out to be true afterall, you will highly regret your words. Let the future reveal everything there is to know. Ahh, good 'ole pascal and his pesky wager. Gosh, if only it were that easy. "gee golly, if I turn my brain off, god sure is swell, might as well believe because I'm afraid to use my mind, it might hurt" Like blue said, take off those rose colored glasses and see the forest for the trees. Don't just cover your ears and say "lalalalalala I can't hear you, you are all dirty, heathenous atheists. I won't listen, you hate god."
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Your posts are sailing further and further from the shores of substance hooah and this reaction above is but a few more oar strokes in the wrong direction. Support your objections with reasoned argumentation or we won't be conversing for very long more. So you need to be shown why conparing teaching your loving religion to teaching sex to a child is abhorrant? I think that speaks for itself.
Perhaps you're not good enough? Answer my question: what does god look like since you are implying you have seen him? Perhaps it is YOU whom is not good enough to have seen His Noodley Holiness (He shows himself to me all the time. Lovely chap He is).
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 832 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
I was using the comparison to indicate the inappropriateness of fast forwarding to a point unsuitable for the childs stage of development. Talking of Hellfire and Brimstone isn't suitable teaching for a young child. Nor is talk of the intricacies of how babies are made. Talk of either isn't an abuse at the right time in the persons development. Thank you. I concede my point then. I guess I was just confused why you would use such an reference. You made your point and I get it now.
You're a spiritually blind man, hooah (according to the Bible). You can't describe the quality grey to a physically blind man. Nor God to a spiritually blind one. Way to dodge the question. Either god is or god isn't. He has physical attributes, yes? God is real, yes? (without getting into the "what do you define as real?". We can use the generally accepted term, I think) If you try to say he is just spiritual or just supernatural, YOU can't have seen him the way you are implying. Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people -Carl Sagan
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