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Larni
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Message 7 of 230 (544606)
01-27-2010 1:37 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by AustinG
01-25-2010 1:12 PM


I would suggest that the supernatural is something that is believed to exist but has no actual evidence of it's existence.

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Larni
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Message 25 of 230 (544747)
01-28-2010 3:26 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by slevesque
01-27-2010 4:55 PM


For example you are witness of a true miracle
How could you be sure it was a Yahweh caused miracle?

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Larni
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Message 37 of 230 (544823)
01-28-2010 3:44 PM
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01-28-2010 3:41 AM


But I can be reasonably sure that when a dude comes along and says I am Yahweh's son and starts doing miracles and then dying and resurection, that if I really do think all this really happened I would have to have a strong reason to think something else then Yahweh is responsible for all of this.
Why?

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Larni
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Message 75 of 230 (545191)
02-02-2010 5:32 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by slevesque
01-28-2010 9:01 PM


Because I would have to have a reason to think otherwise.
But you are making the positive claim here. How many other things do you have no evidence of non existance of?
Do you have evidence of the non existance of Kali? By your logic you have no reason not to believe in Kali, have you?
If I have positive evidence ofr something
But you have no positive evidence, have you? One can interpret the bible as factual (to what degree I won't assume) but the strength of the evidence relies on an a priori assumption that what the bible says is correct.
Circular logic, in this case.
Every alternative can turn out to be true, but will be more unlikely the less you have evidence for it.
What you seem to be ignoring is the strength of the evidence. When I supervise students writing essays I make a big point of saying not to rely on secondary evidence.
Someone using the bible (that is secondary evidence) is on vaery shaky ground considering the fantastic claims it makes.

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Larni
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Message 99 of 230 (545307)
02-03-2010 3:55 AM
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02-02-2010 4:45 PM


then I will think God caused them until evidence to the contrary.
My question is why do you ascribe to if (miracle happens) then (Yawheh is responsible)? You a priori rule out any other cause.
This, I think, is very pertinent.

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Larni
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Message 104 of 230 (545338)
02-03-2010 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 101 by MatterWave
02-03-2010 5:03 AM


Re: A pointless exercise
Existence can be both natural or supernatural, depending on whether a god exists or not.
I concur: however if there is no observable difference between the two states Occam's Razor excises the god from the equation.
I infer from your posts that a god (of some sort) must exist for there to be a supernatural facet of reality.
But is this really the case? Could a host of non-god supernatural entities exist without a god and still count as supernatural?

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