Underlying Philosophy

Hi sac. When you ask about morals, most atheists will say that morals ar relative to teir cultures because that is obviously how it appears. If morals were not relative, everyone would have the same morals. To counteract this, you say: So, basically, it comes down to this. We say morals are human derived and relative because that's how it looks. You say morals come from god, and the proof of that is that they look exactly the same as if they were created by man and relative. You're adding complexity with no justified reason for doing so beyond your sincere desire for there to be a god, and wanting that, you and others find some way to shoehorn the fact that the world doesn't look like there is a god with there being a god anyway.

No. There are those who think quite illogically, in fact. Many of these people are religious, it's a strange but significant corellation.The laws of logic were reasoned out by our ancestors as the best way to think based on tria and error. Thinking logically lends itself to protecting you from death or injury. Thinking illogically usually ends up with you being some other animal's lunch. Once it had been determined, thorugh observation and experience, that logic is the best way to think, it was then used as the basis for higher leve thoughts. It's a bottom up methodology rather than a top down one.Logic has been shown to be superior to illogic in every way we can determine to test it. If you can show me some other way of thinking that works better, I'd love to learn it. You'd probably also win a Nobel Prize for it, so you have every reason to come up with one. Indeed, everyone on the planet has every reason to come up with one. The fact that, so far, no one has succeeded is also quite indicativeof logic's superiority, dontcha think?

I started from the standpoint that there was a god. I then interpreted everything aorund me and noticed there wasn't any evidence for the god, no reason to assume a god, and indeed many reasons not to...at least the Christian god.