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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Isaiah 40:26 writes: "....not one of them is missing" That's right folks, every star that EVER was is still there. No supernova, no red giants, no quasars: they are all still there. Man, this bible is a great astrology..er, i mean, astronomy book. peg, that quote alone should tell you that they were basing it off what they saw, not intrinsic knowledge of the cosmos. They see the stars they see, they say they are all there. Read the words YOU TYPE. hell, let's look a few lines down:
Isaiah 28 writes: 28Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding. Looks like you think the earth is flat too, huh? You gonna venture to one side and fall off? Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given. "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
you can read the verse however you like. No, Peg. I am reading it the way YOU implied. When you quoted:
Isaiah 40:26 writes: Raise your eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? . . . Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one of them is missing. in this context, you implied a literal reading. Then you also must take the line I quoted literally as well, since it is only 2 verses away.
Isaiah 40:28 writes: Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, that the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? there is no searching of his understanding. At any rate, back on topic: like others have said, energy is not created, only transferred from state to state. "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
If we can now explain the formation of stars without supernatural intervention, on what grounds does the bible claim god created them? How do we know god isn't the invisible puppet master? How can we be certain that he/she/it isn't out there slamming molecules and atoms together for shits and giggles, making it look natural (natural from our perspective, of course). I've often thought we are a science project for whatever deity that may reside "out there", a petri dish if you will. Hell, we are probably even smaller than that: the corner of an edge of a petri dish. "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Of course of course, and I wholeheartedly concur. However, this IS the F&B section......I suppose I am just playing devils advocate.
"Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Is there evidence that any star we have seen in scientifically observed time of a star being created in the first place? Is it true that we've only seen stars die and not be created? yes
Can we deny in any true evidence that God did not create everything and then once created set things into motion to act in it's own accord? That's called god of the gaps mate. Can you deny that the FSM didn't do it? I think He did.
Look at man, he was created out of something from someone or thing and then started living and making his/her existence from his/her own accord. Man was most definitely not "created" my friend.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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hooah212002 Member (Idle past 831 days) Posts: 3193 Joined: |
Explain a bit more of "yes" and to which question and what scientific observance are you speaking of? Have you heard of google? Do you realize how many stellar nurseries there are? Sharpless 2-106 (Sh2-106), is one. NGC 2074 is another.
Can we deny in any true evidence that God did not create everything and then once created set things into motion to act in it's own accord? Nope. however, it is up to you to provide evidence for this alleged "god" character. It is not for us to prove he couldn't have.
Define FSM please as I haven't heard the acronym before. The One True Creator of All: The Flying Spaghetti Monster, His Noodley Holiness.
Just because God put things into motion doesn't mean He just sits there and doesn't do anything now. There is, as of yet, no reason I should choose your god over the IPU. Or leprechauns. Or Flying pigs. For all we know, he IS just sitting there doing shit nothing because it has never shown it's face or made it's presence known.
There are plenty of prophecies within the Bible that have come true and none so far that have proven to be false. I won't touch on that because we have other threads that are hundreds of pages long dedicated to it.
Look at man, he was created out of something from someone or thing and then started living and making his/her existence from his/her own accord. Show me where man was "created". Don't use your bible.
Must explain a bit more here. Isn't that what the primodial soup theory is about? out of this soup man formed after several generations of other forms were created until we arrived at this one? And what's the ratio of probabilities say of first two human's being developed at the same time of opposite sexes and perfectly developed to meet the needs of the other to reproduce? Ah yes: biblical creation has just as much chance to have happened as abiogenesis. I think some creationists around here will have a go with this one. My contention with your "creation" statement was that you said MAN was created. I said he was not because we have plenty of evidence that says we evolved from other ape species. Abiogenesis could very well be "creation" for all I care.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message by continuing in this vein. AdminPD Edited by AdminPD, : Warning "Some people think God is an outsized, light-skinned male with a long white beard, sitting on a throne somewhere up there in the sky, busily tallying the fall of every sparrow. Othersfor example Baruch Spinoza and Albert Einsteinconsidered God to be essentially the sum total of the physical laws which describe the universe. I do not know of any compelling evidence for anthropomorphic patriarchs controlling human destiny from some hidden celestial vantage point, but it would be madness to deny the existence of physical laws."-Carl Sagan "Show me where Christ said "Love thy fellow man, except for the gay ones." Gay people, too, are made in my God's image. I would never worship a homophobic God." -Desmond Tutu
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