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Author Topic:   Is faith the answer to cognitive dissonance?
killinghurts
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Message 1 of 227 (557585)
04-27-2010 12:25 AM


Cognitive dissonance is an uncomfortable feeling caused by holding two contradictory ideas simultaneously (Cognitive dissonance - Wikipedia). I guess this whole forum is one huge example!
Understanding that Faith is a belief "not resting on logical proof or material evidence." (Faith - Wikipedia - I am open to discuss alternative definitions)
I wonder.
Is faith the answer given by religion, and more interestingly, accepted by its' followers to short circuit cognitive dissonance?

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killinghurts
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Message 52 of 227 (557782)
04-27-2010 9:43 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by slevesque
04-27-2010 3:06 AM


"slevesque" writes:
You should identify what you think these two contradictory ideas are.
Belief not resting on logical proof or material evidence.
Like the global flood incident, Noah's ark, waling on water, magically turning water into wine...
Apparently these things "require faith" to believe as they contradict what we know about the laws of physics, chemistry, modern geology and general reality.
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Message 53 of 227 (557783)
04-27-2010 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Larni
04-27-2010 11:04 AM


"Larni" writes:
Being told to 'have faith' is like being told 'don't worry about it: it works'.
But, I would be suprised if someone who had cognitive dissonance (in the first place) would then cease to have it when faith was entered into the mix.
I would suggest that faith is what people have instead of cognitive dissonance.
That's interesting.
I wonder though, without the "faith" bandage would the cognitive dissonance then appear later? I.e do the people with faith, when finally presented with contrary evidence (which is inevitable in this day and age), then point to their faith as a way of relieving confusion.

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killinghurts
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Message 54 of 227 (557784)
04-27-2010 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Peg
04-27-2010 6:40 AM


"Peg writes:
the evident demonstrations are based on facts. An example that you may understand might be when a marriage proposal takes place. If that proposal is backed up with an engagement ring, then an 'evident deomonstration' has taken place. Though the marriage has not taken place yet, each are assured of the 'future reality' that they will be married.
No they are not "assured" and this is precisely what I am getting at... If you and your partner get engaged there is a chance that the engagement might not be fulfilled into marrigage, correct? Lots of engagements don't work for various reasons.
However, in order to for you to not feel uncomfortable (i.e feel a cognitive dissonance) you must assure yourself (and perhaps even lie to yourself) to give you confidence that you have made the correct decision.
e.g:
"Oh I hope he/she really loves me"
"I hope she/he doesn't go back to his ex-girlfirend/boyfriend"
There is no material or logical evidence to assume that the above wont happen, you must "have faith" or reassure yourself that you have made the right decision based on no evidence.
Now apply the same line of thought to the bible and it's claims of supernatural happenings...

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killinghurts
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Message 56 of 227 (557790)
04-27-2010 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by New Cat's Eye
04-27-2010 10:51 PM


"Catholic Scientist" writes:
I believe all kinds of different things without logical proof or material evidence...
You're certainly not alone.
"Catholic Scientist" writes:
But since I already believe in God, him temporarily breaking the laws of physics doesn't cause me cognitive dissonance... to an extent
It depends on how much of the laws it has to go against.
For example, an actual global flood would require a god that is duping damn near everyone.
One guy turning water into wine one time... not so much.
And actually, with the flood scenario, the breaking wouldn't really be all that "temporary".
Honestly though, I fell like I'm the type to error on the side of science, so to speak... The miraculous things I have faith in aren't so spectacular to cause the cognitive dissonance... or so I think
I propose cognitive dissonance made you not believe in the more spectacular miracles...and the lesser spectacular, the less you need to justify your beliefs to yourself and others. Just a guess of course
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