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Author Topic:   Church Is Not Enough?
Tram law
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Message 1 of 110 (578385)
09-01-2010 4:49 PM


For proponents of putting religion in schools, why isn't Church and the home enough? Why must religion be taught in schools?

As for me, I will never support religion in schools. Religion is very divisive in nature, even at its most benign. For example, Christianity teaches that only proper Christians get to go to heaven, and only Christianity teaches that, at least that's what I've been told growing up, and it doesn't matter how good of a person you are, if you're not a proper Christian you do not get to go. And for me, if God exists, it is only God who gets to determine who is a proper Christian.

But the thing about being divisive, is that it often leads to bullying. Goth kids are often bullied by other students for one example, simply because they express themselves in a different manner than most people. Other schools ban the display of gang symbols and colors and have other dress codes to prevent fighting in order to keep order. And I believe that allowing religion in school you must allow all religions, even unpopular ones such as Satanism.

But as most religions fight each other for dominance, all religions will encourage students to be discriminated against. Here is one example of that kind of discrimination:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npqbgBHYSKk

(I don't know how to embed videos or if that feature is available for this particular forum)

And shouldn't school prevent that kind of discrimination? Shouldn't school be all inclusive and secular in order to provide a safe environment for our students to get the education they require?

To that end, I have to ask, why isn't Church and the home enough?


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Tram law
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Message 12 of 110 (578754)
09-02-2010 2:07 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by GDR
09-02-2010 11:22 AM


quote:

I'm quite sure God isn't concerned about the definition of words. God is concerned about the condition of your heart.


If there is a kind and loving God.

Of course I follow the atheists' wager.


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Tram law
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Message 13 of 110 (578758)
09-02-2010 2:19 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by purpledawn
09-02-2010 10:26 AM


Re: Why is Church Not Enough?
quote:

Schools should only be tasked with enforcing the right behavior that makes school safe and nonthreatening for teachers and children.

So how do we determine what is safe and nonthreatening behavior, and how do we do that and enforce it without stepping on the students' civil rights?

Edited by Tram law, : added "we do"


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Tram law
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Message 15 of 110 (578764)
09-02-2010 2:32 PM
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09-02-2010 2:22 PM


Re: Why is Church Not Enough?
Generally speaking no, they don't have rights until they get to adult age.

However, I believe the exceptions have been expressed in some lawsuits.

For example, suits like in this article:

http://www.aclu.org/...ding-teenager-wearing-tuxedo-yearbook

But that is probably a subject for another thread.


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Tram law
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Message 18 of 110 (578823)
09-02-2010 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by ICANT
09-02-2010 4:15 PM


Re: Religion in Schools
quote:

As you did not define your meaning of Christianity, proper Christian and religion it is hard to follow your OP.

Actually its a hard thing do because each sect of Christianity claims that it and only it is the proper way of being a Christian.

quote:

God did set the rules and we can not change them.

So that means we are still bound by the laws set in Leviticus. We can not change rules. But that's a really poor claim because Christianity has changed over time. If Christianity could never change under any circumstances then there would be no sects of Christianity.

But that is another topic for another time. Please stay on topic.

Edited by Tram law, : added a phrase


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