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Animals with bad design.

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Coragyps
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01-15-2011 8:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 9 by barbara
01-15-2011 7:45 PM

Re: Predator/Prey mechanism
This is an absolute fact of life on this planet that all living organisms must consume other living organisms to survive.
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Well, excepting most bacteria, all (?) archaea, plants, photosynthetic non-plant microorganisms.......etc.
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01-15-2011 8:27 PM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Aaron
01-15-2011 4:22 AM

Aaron, my old cyberfriend Oolon Colluphid has rather a nice list of "design problems" that is worth a few minutes of your time:
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http://oolon.awardspace.com/SMOGGM.htm
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Many of these have come up here at EvC in the past. Food for thought.....
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01-25-2011 4:51 AM 		Reply to: Message 31 by Aaron
01-24-2011 7:27 PM

Re: Re-think needed?
Besides the dinosaurs, I can't think of many extinct species that don't have an extant branch.
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Hmm. Birds are an extant branch of one of the major groups of dinosaurs. And I can think of a dozen or so lines of critters that apparently died out completely- triconodonts, multituburculates, trilobites, graptolites, most of the Ediacaran fauna.....
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And while we are discussing whales, what about the tooth buds that baleen whales grow and then resorb as fetuses? Are those something that just look like the tooth buds in toothed-whale embryos, but are actually something completely different? Isn't it a bit more parsimonious to decide that baleen whales had toothed ancestors? Particularly when we have fossils of Aetiocetus, which has teeth and baleen?
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02-23-2011 2:00 PM 		Reply to: Message 126 by Aaron
02-23-2011 2:57 AM

Re: Whale legs
The simplest answer to what the right mix is a food chain where the biggest guys eat the littler guys right down the line to the tiniest guys....
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So the baleen whales leave out about three steps and eat krill instead of largish fish? Why would they want to do that?
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02-25-2011 9:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 133 by Aaron
02-25-2011 3:28 AM

Re: Whale legs
But the mathematical odds of random mutations producing just the right structural changes in a lstep-wise fashion are enormous.
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They are? How enormous? Give me a number.
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Show your workings......
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02-27-2011 11:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 138 by Granny Magda
02-27-2011 5:27 AM

Re: Variation and Perfection
And they could be used to repel mermaids, but they're not.
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Oh yeah? Have you ever seen a whale with mermaids nearby? [/snark]
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Excellent post, Granny.
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Some fish have a pelvis - they don't have four legs - neither did their ancestors. They are called a pelvis because of the general shape and general region.
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Aaron, can you give examples? Or are you thinking of lungfish?
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03-04-2011 8:56 AM 		Reply to: Message 156 by Aaron
03-04-2011 4:29 AM

Re: Whale legs
I don't think any created thing can ever be "perfect." Only God is.
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Hmm. So God can make a rock so big he can't lift it. That's good to know.
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