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DBlevins
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Message 47 of 127 (608065)
03-08-2011 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by Rahvin
03-07-2011 3:04 PM


Re: Hate speech is Fox's forte
Would it truly be so damaging to free speech if a law were drafted that required any program or publication that advertised itself as reporting or commenting on the real-world news of the day be required to make true statements, and let proven, intentional falsehoods be punishable?
I believe Canada has just such a provision in it's news broadcasting regulations:CRTC ditches bid to allow fake news

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DBlevins
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Message 48 of 127 (608070)
03-08-2011 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by nwr
03-07-2011 3:36 PM


Re: Hate speech is Fox's forte
Yes, that would be damaging to free speech. For it would end up with the law courts enforcing an official truth. It could result in a de facto theocracy.
I am admittidly conflicted on this point. On the one hand I can appreciate the importance that freedom of speech has in developing and strengthening arguments for or against an idea and that this requires that the idea being presented not be censored. On the other hand, in my humble opinion, news should be a product for the common good, through the dissemination of facts and knowledge. Protecting citizens from the dissemination of falsehoods should be an important part of a regulatory spirit. Not enough censorship can be just as bad as too much, especially when a news source is couched as being fair and balanced and is patently not so. News programs should belong in the same category as our public school system. While we can not police everything that is taught in the schools (*recently Sharron Angle admitted she taught students creationism in her class), we can try to prevent falsehoods being promulgated through the system.*
*Perhaps not the best analogy by any means, as I can see the holes, but I hope you get my drift.

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DBlevins
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Message 53 of 127 (608107)
03-08-2011 5:59 PM
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03-08-2011 4:19 PM


Re: a fix for faux facts?
With the massive ability of broadcast networks to supply enough lawyers to stifle or slow-down just 'anyone' providing evidence of a lie, I would think that it would require some outside regulatory body, such as the FCC to police the networks. This would itself lend itself to critiques of "government" overreach.
How to go about implementing such a requirement could be tricky.

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DBlevins
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Message 54 of 127 (608116)
03-08-2011 6:18 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Artemis Entreri
03-08-2011 5:36 PM


Re: is this just a fox bashing session?
video does not exist.
Video
historically though it was determined matrilineally...
Link? Afaik status was determined by the states, and they differed on that determination.

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DBlevins
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Message 79 of 127 (608726)
03-13-2011 1:15 AM
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03-09-2011 9:47 PM


Re: is this just a fox bashing session?
but did even a single US state determine race based on the race of the mother?
Art seems to be implying that matrilineal descent was the normal way, and I wanted to point out that I didn't believe that was the case, and that each state differed in that determination. (Of course in reality it didn't matter, if you looked of full or mixed blood by mother or father, you were judged on that)

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