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Heathen
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Message 44 of 54 (657412)
03-28-2012 10:40 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Straggler
03-28-2012 10:10 AM


Re: Why did you change his language?
not get bogged down in definitions of "atheist" or "heathen"
Which is why I didn't include that in my first post.
Personally I would agree with much, but not all, of the points in the article. But I don't think that is the point. More importantly I do think there is a case for re-assessing the manner of public discussion of atheism and irreligiosity for many of the reasons cited in the article.
I certainly think that discussions about atheism should be less about attacking religion, and more about demonstrating how unecessary and irrelevant it is and can be.
I think Dawkins does a reasonable job of this, although I personally find his manner a little irritating.

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 48 of 54 (657496)
03-29-2012 2:17 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Theodoric
03-28-2012 7:20 PM


Re: Why did you change his language?
They are not the same thing
I think the author realises this, and he states that he wants to reclaim (or claim) the word.
quote:
we should look to other groups who have reclaimed mocking nicknames, such as gays, Methodists and Quakers
Once upon a time the word "gay" definitely did not mean homosexual in any way shape or form. And you would probably have been there claiming it was being incorrectly used. But the word has taken on an alternative meaning, which now, to all intents and purposes has become its primary meaning
that's the beauty of language. It's not set in stone. It's fluid. It changes.

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 51 of 54 (657519)
03-29-2012 9:25 AM
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03-29-2012 9:19 AM


Re: Why did you change his language?
World English Dictionary writes:
gay (ɡeɪ)
adj
1. a. homosexual
b. of or for homosexuals: a gay club
2. a. carefree and merry: a gay temperament
b. brightly coloured; brilliant: a gay hat
c. given to pleasure, esp in social entertainment: a gay life
so.. not slang.

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Heathen
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Message 54 of 54 (658091)
04-02-2012 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Theodoric
03-29-2012 9:19 AM


Re: Why did you change his language?
quote:
I agree the following should be for the other thread but as you posted it here I will answer here.
Do you understand what he means when he talks about "Reclaiming" a word in the same way the originally derogatory words 'Gay' or 'Methodist' or 'Quaker' were reclaimed by the people they describe?
I find huge issues with his idea that these people "reclaimed" these terms. Sounds like some new age scholarship woo.
You don't think homosexuals, for instance, have reclaimed the words "gay" and "queer" and use them so as to, if not nulify, then weaken their use as derogatory terms? Why not?
Theodoric writes:
You really are a tool arent you.
Theodoric writes:
Quit being insulting. It demeans any semblance of an argument you have.
Indeed.
Edited by Heathen, : No reason given.

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