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frako
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Message 8 of 57 (642162)
11-26-2011 6:02 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by DevilsAdvocate
01-11-2009 8:17 PM


1. This is not a discussion of why belief in Christianity (or any other religious belief) is right or wrong. It is strictly a discussion of whether exorcism really works or not.
I know this is an old post but i kind of find it interesting.
The mind is very powerful it can make you sick when you are healthy and heal you when you are sick.
I think exorcism works in the same way, as magic does if you believe in it it can have a placebo effect. There is a story when an elderly woman came to a hospital in terrible pain screaming it is the root that is causing this, and that she wants her legs cut off, to stop the pain. Most of them dint know what she was talking about but one attendant knew she was talking about voodoo curse so they had an idea to do an un cursing ritual and it helped the woman the pain was gone. I dont believe there was any curse just the womans mind believing so strongly she was cursed that the mind manifested pain in the womans legs, and when the ritual was done she believed it worked and her mind stopped manifesting her pain.

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frako
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Message 18 of 57 (642262)
11-27-2011 5:03 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Buzsaw
11-26-2011 5:24 PM


Whoever heard of a Buddist, Muslim or Pagan exorcist casting out anything? As per the NT, Jesus said demons will not cast out demons.
The only recorded historical exorcists that I am aware of were the Biblical apostles who cast out demons
Oh come now buzz the next thing you are going to say that christianity is the only religion who had a magic boy that died then came back to life.
Buddha battled daemons and cast them out of himself
Muslims cast out daemons using the Koran.
Pagans as in wiccans have that little symbol you know the pentagram it is used for protection against daemons. And they do have casting out daemons rituals.
The Hindus have exorcisms too the basic casting out rituals are preformed using the mantra and the yanja.
Casting out and protecting form evils is kind of the brand mark of every religion, as are miracles and any other bullshit they cane make you believe.

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frako
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Message 23 of 57 (642294)
11-27-2011 10:53 AM
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11-27-2011 9:04 AM


Re: Exorcism & Christianity Vs Other
After inquiring about the woman among the villagers, it was determined that the woman had lived longer than a human being was suppose to live. Thus he concluded that it was a possessed demon that had kept the woman alive beyond a normal life span.
According to the missionary, after this encounter there was a great Christian revival/awakening and the whole village became Christian.
So the woman was old in tribal standards that would be 60 right ?
He rebuked the woman in the name of Jesus after which she fell dead in the presence of all.
So the priest or should i say strange withe man with magic powers in tribal understanding was screaming at a 60 year old shaman woman till she got a hart attack. Then bent the event in saying the good lord Jesus saved them from a daemon.
IMO, one of the evidences of the success of Christianity in pagan lands like New Guinea is the fact that subsequent to Christian missions in the nation, things like cannibalism have become pretty much non-existent. In many pagan nations it is the evangelical missionaries from the West who have improved the living standards of once pagan nations. It has not been missionaries from RC, Buddist, Hindu or Muslim nations who have done anything to improve the lives of these people.
Because shrinking heads of your enemies is so fare worse then burning them on a pyre if they dont convert, and i know christians dont do that anymore they came out of the dark ages those tribes dint get out of the stonage yet.
That so many like Son Of Sam, aka David Berkowitz have been so greatly changed for the better is a good indication that the good Holy Spirit of Jehovah is a real multi-present entity that enters into humans who receive him, driving out/exorcising the evil spirits at the time of the Biblically acclaimed conversion experience, i.e. born or the Jehovah's spirit.
To bad some die during the exorcisms right, but afterall the torture and pain they go trough when the right is prefformed they go to a better place right its not like murder or anything like that.
In the 2005 film, The Exorcism of Emily Rose, only one of the characters, Father Richard Moore (Tom Wilkinson), was found guilty of negligent homicide surrounding the death of Emily Rose. In the real-life case of Anneliese Michel (pictured right), which took place in 1978, there were four defendants, not just one. They were Father Arnold Renz, Pastor Ernst Alt, and Anneliese Michel's parents, Josef and Anna. All four were found guilty of negligent homicide and sentenced to six months in prison, suspended with three years' probation.
6 months for torture and murder its good to be a priest and doing gods work right better then putting her on meds and potentially give her a normal life.

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frako
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Message 43 of 57 (642466)
11-29-2011 5:52 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Buzsaw
11-28-2011 6:18 PM


Re: Biblical Exorcism vs Pagan Etc.
Regarding your example, the exorcist, in this case, Jesus, simply applied words, allowing the demons their request. He applied nothing physical to exorcise the demons from the man.
Jesus, graciously regarded the life and soul of the human above that of a herd of brute beasts which were raised for ultimate purpose of slaughter for man's food.
So when the exorcist is showering the victim with holy watter and beating him over the head with a cross thats the wrong way to do it
As for the existence of demons, there exists no better explanation for observable extreme evil phenomena?
Umm what evil phenomena when someone is mentally ill ???

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