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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Cat's Eye writes:
We have beaches. You guys probably don't sell a lot of beach towels either... But the idea that there would be a demand for handguns has always been amusing to me. If they were free in CrackerJacks, a few people would have them. Otherwise, what for?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
A felon is "a person convicted in a court of law of a felony crime" link. If you can become un-convicted, I suppose you would become an ex-felon. I'd say that that does not apply to somebody who has served out his sentence - he may be an "ex-convict" but not an "un-convict" - or to somebody who was wrongfully convicted and pardoned. The statute that you quoted says, "has been convicted", so that seems to conform with my understanding.
ringo writes:
Gee, ringo. I dunno. What's the definition of felon? Or can you work your way up to ex-felon
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
RAZD writes:
That's what I'm saying: You never really become an "ex-felon". It never goes away.
Many states also take away voting rights for anyone ever convicted of a felony, and this isn't reinstated once they become ex-felons.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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RAZD writes:
So it's possible to become a real ex-con in some states but not in others. Fair enough.
If your pre-felony rights are restored is that not becoming an real ex-con?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
herebedragons writes:
I think they'd figure out how to do it with both hands. Small minds can be very ingenious, since they're not hampered by preconceived notions. Like you said, maybe the safety should be lower on the grip so a small hand could not activate it. I saw an episode of 60 Minutes or 20/20 or some such thing in which a woman taught pre-schoolers about gun safety. Every one of them knew how to load and fire a handgun.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
The problem is that the criminal that you're trying to defend yourself from can probably shoot just as fast as a three-year-old.
And as has been pointed out, it is absolutely reckless to have a round in the chamber anyhow.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
I said, "The problem is that the criminal that you're trying to defend yourself from can probably shoot just as fast as a three-year-old." The only criminals involved in this scenario were the parents. I'm talking about what those parents think. Facts are irrelevant. They think they're "protecting" their children from criminals. My point is that any "safety" features that prevent children from shooting their parents would also prevent the parents from shooting those criminals - imaginary or not - so the parents are likely to oppose those features.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
You disagreed with me. If you figure out what you`re disagreeing with, let me know.
And the parents are idiots. What are we disagreeing about?
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
The topic is gun control. We're not talking about problems; we're talking about perceived problems. I disagree with that such a criminal is a problem. Hold my hand: You said it was reckless to have a round in the chamber because your own three-year-old might shoot you with it. I'm saying that from a gun-owner's perspective it's reckless to not have a round in the chamber because a criminal might shoot you before you get a chance to cycle one.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
herebedragons writes:
If I was the criminal, your first move would trigger my trigger finger.
So just the act of pulling the action back may be enough to deter the criminal....
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
We could, but I didn't. If you disagree with me, you're disagreeing with what I said, not with what I could have said.
There is no reason you or I could not talk about a real problem or at least a problem you personally perceived as real within the context of gun control.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
The point isn't "who" sees it as a problem. The point is that the problem is there whether the people involved see it or not: If you're going to keep a gun for protection, you'd damn well better keep it ready to shoot first - and if you do, it's just as ready to shout you.
ringo writes:
How am I supposed to tell who you are saying sees this as the problem? "The problem is that the criminal that you're trying to defend yourself from can probably shoot just as fast as a three-year-old."
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
She was having trouble adjusting her bra holster, couldn’t get it to fit the way she wanted it to. She was looking down at it and accidentally discharged the weapon, St. Joseph Public Safety Director Mark Clapp said.
Bras kill. Time for bra control.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
NoNukes writes:
Ah, but there are so many other things you need to do with your hands. Two aren't enough as it is without devoting one entirely to self-defence. For practical purposes, we have to keep the gun easily accessible and ready to fire but not actually "in the way". Unfortunately (or fortunately, for the Darwin awards) the need for self defence also makes the weapon easily accessible to your irresponsible three-year-old.
If instead, your plan is to outdraw the crook, then going into your purse is likely a loser. The gun needs to be in your hand. Presumably, your child cannot get it if you are holding it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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NoNukes writes:
We're talking about gun ownership in the USA. Cartoonish is a given.
I find Ringo's extrapolation more than a little bit cartoonish, Peacemaker Percy.
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