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ringo
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Message 3269 of 5179 (747213)
01-13-2015 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 3266 by New Cat's Eye
01-12-2015 12:33 PM


Cat's Eye writes:
You guys probably don't sell a lot of beach towels either...
We have beaches.
But the idea that there would be a demand for handguns has always been amusing to me. If they were free in CrackerJacks, a few people would have them. Otherwise, what for?

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ringo
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Message 3273 of 5179 (748279)
01-24-2015 11:13 AM
Reply to: Message 3272 by NoNukes
01-24-2015 2:29 AM


Re: The state of "Arms", 1791
NoNukes writes:
ringo writes:
Or can you work your way up to ex-felon
Gee, ringo. I dunno. What's the definition of felon?
A felon is "a person convicted in a court of law of a felony crime" link. If you can become un-convicted, I suppose you would become an ex-felon. I'd say that that does not apply to somebody who has served out his sentence - he may be an "ex-convict" but not an "un-convict" - or to somebody who was wrongfully convicted and pardoned. The statute that you quoted says, "has been convicted", so that seems to conform with my understanding.

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ringo
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Message 3275 of 5179 (748397)
01-25-2015 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 3274 by RAZD
01-24-2015 2:43 PM


Re: The state of "Arms", 1791
RAZD writes:
Many states also take away voting rights for anyone ever convicted of a felony, and this isn't reinstated once they become ex-felons.
That's what I'm saying: You never really become an "ex-felon". It never goes away.

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ringo
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Message 3277 of 5179 (748467)
01-26-2015 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 3276 by RAZD
01-25-2015 6:10 PM


Re: voting rights : felony : restoration of rights ... ?
RAZD writes:
If your pre-felony rights are restored is that not becoming an real ex-con?
So it's possible to become a real ex-con in some states but not in others. Fair enough.

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ringo
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Message 3288 of 5179 (749235)
02-03-2015 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 3283 by herebedragons
02-02-2015 1:15 PM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
herebedragons writes:
Like you said, maybe the safety should be lower on the grip so a small hand could not activate it.
I think they'd figure out how to do it with both hands. Small minds can be very ingenious, since they're not hampered by preconceived notions.
I saw an episode of 60 Minutes or 20/20 or some such thing in which a woman taught pre-schoolers about gun safety. Every one of them knew how to load and fire a handgun.

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ringo
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Message 3290 of 5179 (749253)
02-03-2015 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 3289 by NoNukes
02-03-2015 12:05 PM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
And as has been pointed out, it is absolutely reckless to have a round in the chamber anyhow.
The problem is that the criminal that you're trying to defend yourself from can probably shoot just as fast as a three-year-old.

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ringo
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Message 3301 of 5179 (749504)
02-05-2015 10:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3292 by NoNukes
02-03-2015 1:26 PM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
The only criminals involved in this scenario were the parents.
I said, "The problem is that the criminal that you're trying to defend yourself from can probably shoot just as fast as a three-year-old."
I'm talking about what those parents think. Facts are irrelevant. They think they're "protecting" their children from criminals.
My point is that any "safety" features that prevent children from shooting their parents would also prevent the parents from shooting those criminals - imaginary or not - so the parents are likely to oppose those features.

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ringo
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Message 3303 of 5179 (749770)
02-08-2015 1:23 PM
Reply to: Message 3302 by NoNukes
02-07-2015 12:34 PM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
And the parents are idiots. What are we disagreeing about?
You disagreed with me. If you figure out what you`re disagreeing with, let me know.

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ringo
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Message 3305 of 5179 (749867)
02-09-2015 4:52 PM
Reply to: Message 3304 by NoNukes
02-09-2015 2:27 PM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
I disagree with that such a criminal is a problem.
The topic is gun control. We're not talking about problems; we're talking about perceived problems.
Hold my hand: You said it was reckless to have a round in the chamber because your own three-year-old might shoot you with it. I'm saying that from a gun-owner's perspective it's reckless to not have a round in the chamber because a criminal might shoot you before you get a chance to cycle one.

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ringo
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Message 3309 of 5179 (750016)
02-11-2015 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 3306 by herebedragons
02-09-2015 10:26 PM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
herebedragons writes:
So just the act of pulling the action back may be enough to deter the criminal....
If I was the criminal, your first move would trigger my trigger finger.

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ringo
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Message 3310 of 5179 (750017)
02-11-2015 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 3308 by NoNukes
02-10-2015 12:26 AM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
There is no reason you or I could not talk about a real problem or at least a problem you personally perceived as real within the context of gun control.
We could, but I didn't. If you disagree with me, you're disagreeing with what I said, not with what I could have said.

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ringo
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Message 3313 of 5179 (750616)
02-19-2015 11:06 AM
Reply to: Message 3312 by NoNukes
02-19-2015 3:43 AM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
ringo writes:
"The problem is that the criminal that you're trying to defend yourself from can probably shoot just as fast as a three-year-old."
How am I supposed to tell who you are saying sees this as the problem?
The point isn't "who" sees it as a problem. The point is that the problem is there whether the people involved see it or not: If you're going to keep a gun for protection, you'd damn well better keep it ready to shoot first - and if you do, it's just as ready to shout you.

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ringo
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Message 3314 of 5179 (750618)
02-19-2015 11:08 AM
Reply to: Message 3311 by Dr Adequate
02-18-2015 6:37 PM


She was having trouble adjusting her bra holster, couldn’t get it to fit the way she wanted it to. She was looking down at it and accidentally discharged the weapon, St. Joseph Public Safety Director Mark Clapp said.
Bras kill. Time for bra control.

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ringo
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Message 3323 of 5179 (750783)
02-22-2015 1:31 PM
Reply to: Message 3316 by NoNukes
02-21-2015 2:38 AM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
If instead, your plan is to outdraw the crook, then going into your purse is likely a loser. The gun needs to be in your hand. Presumably, your child cannot get it if you are holding it.
Ah, but there are so many other things you need to do with your hands. Two aren't enough as it is without devoting one entirely to self-defence. For practical purposes, we have to keep the gun easily accessible and ready to fire but not actually "in the way". Unfortunately (or fortunately, for the Darwin awards) the need for self defence also makes the weapon easily accessible to your irresponsible three-year-old.

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 3324 of 5179 (750784)
02-22-2015 1:33 PM
Reply to: Message 3318 by NoNukes
02-22-2015 5:14 AM


Re: 3-year Old Boy Shoots Parents
NoNukes writes:
I find Ringo's extrapolation more than a little bit cartoonish, Peacemaker Percy.
We're talking about gun ownership in the USA. Cartoonish is a given.

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