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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
What I am saying is that you can't get the criminals to obey the laws we already have concerning firearms and it don't make any difference how many new laws are made they are not going to obey any of them. What I am saying is that criminals break laws all of the time. That is why they are criminals. Are you then arguing that we should get rid of all the laws that criminals break? If so, we wouldn't have any laws left. You are arguing for complete anarchy.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
I use upper case because it is used in the second amendment, so the Arms would be unlimited. Where did the Founders, or anyone for that matter, claim that the right to bear arms is unlimited? The courts have consistently ruled that the 2nd Amendment was based on existing philosophies which allowed for people to bear common arms, but not unusual or extremely deadly arms.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
The colonist had every weapon that the British had including cannons, so what was limited as to what they owned? Yes, but where did the Founders say that the individual right to bear arms was unlimited?
And you think because the courts have so rulled means that their rulling is Constitutional. Yes, that is how it works. That is how the Constitution is set up. "The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, . . ."--US Constitution The US Supreme Court decides if laws are constitutional or not, and what the Constitution means. That is, unless, you reject the US Constitution.
Simple question, who appoints them to their job and who pays their salary? Simple question, what does the Constitution say about the appointment of US Supreme justices and how they should be paid?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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In this case the 'right' is the sovereignty to keep and bear Arms without the permission of anyone. False. The government can still put in place regulations that limit which arms you can buy and own, but they can not stop you from bearing arms that are sufficient for self defense. That is what the Second Amendment means, and that is how the courts have ruled, the very courts that have been given the power to interpret the Constitution by the Constitution itself.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Where does the constitution in the second amendment give the government the authority to put in place regulations that limit which arms I can buy and own? Where in the Second Amendment does it state that every person can own any weapon they chose and be able to brandish that weapon wherever they want? The courts have ruled. They have found that it Congress can limit which arms can be sold and who can buy them. They have even found that it is constitutional for states to require registration of weapons. I have already referenced the cases that define these rights and powers. What more can I say?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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Why does the Second Amendment have to give permission to the people to keep and bear Arms? How does a ban on 30 round magazines and assault weapons prevent people from bearing arms given all of the other arms they can purchase?
In fact the only thing the Second Amendment limits is the governments ability to infringe upon the right of the people to keep and bear Arms. The Constitution also empowers the courts to decide if a law infringes on the Second Amendment, and those courts have found that bans on specific weapon types, registration of weapons, restrictions for felons and the mentally ill, and restrictions on magazine size do not infringe on that right. The claim that any restrictions on gun purchases or ownership infringe on the 2nd amendment is a baseless claim, and it runs contrary to 70 years of court decisions.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
As for your comments on changing the constitution, you are correct....However, without needing an amendment, the constitution already gives the SCOTUS power to tell you what you can and cannot own as far as firearms. Just to be clear, SCOTUS does not have the power to make the laws. They only have the power to determine if the laws violate constitutional rights after the laws have been enacted by the federal, state, or local government.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
It is infringing on my right to be able to face the enemy with equal weapons. Where is that language in the 2nd amendment?
Courts over the years have been stacked with liberal judges and yes they have tried to change the Constitution. But the fact remains the Constitution still stands and they have not changed the original meaning. It is the Constitution that gives courts the power to interpret the Constitution. It is the courts that decide what the Constitution says, not you. For a long time now the courts have stated quite clearly that the 2nd amendment is not an unlimited right, and that regulation of arms is constitutional. You can't throw out the court decisions and still claim to be upholding the Constitution. The Constitution is not a buffet where you get to pick and chose what you will accept.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6
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American Revolutionary War. The Branch Davidians, Waco, Texas, 1993.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Battle of New Orleans, 1814 Battle at the Alamo, 1836
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
As for the Alamo, which someone else mentioned, I don't see any point. A bunch of well armed soldiers gets their butt kicked by a foreign army because the government cannot or will not send reinforcements. Unless someone is rooting for the Mexicans, I don't see any point related to arming or not arming citizens during peacetime. Earlier the point that was being made is that an armed citizen can not defend themself against a well armed army of overwhelming size. Having even an AR-15 is not going to stop a laser guided bomb from striking your house. It seems a bit silly to say that people need semi-automatic rifles to stop the government from suppressing them when semi-automatic rifles will not defend them from an army. I also used the Waco, Texas incident to further illustrate the point.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
The National Guard isn't primarily an armed citizenry, they get armed when they are called. They are an army, they aren't the militia as I understand the Second Amendment's use of the term. That is exactly what the National Guard is, and previous militias throughout US history were armed by the state or federal governments. You really don't think that people were dragging their own cannons to battle, do you?
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
What is nonsense is that you keep telling me the National Guard is the State's Militia's, therefore the State's do not need a Militia. Just read that sentence about 5 times and let it sink in. The states DO have a militia.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Then you should have no problem naming one State in which all men 18 to 45 years old are armed and gather to practice twice a year. Where I live, it is called the Idaho National Guard.
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Taq Member Posts: 10085 Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
Thus the Federal government did away with the State Militia's and formed the National Guard The National Guard is the state militia.
My definition preceeds the Constitution, and was not done away with in the Constitution. Yes, it was. The current government is based on the Constitution, not the preceding law.
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