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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Crazyfrog writes: Well, sure. That works if people have no reason to collude and misrepresent some poor fucker as being the asshole. But suppose some small number of people say "you know, every time I see license plate ROAD-FR0G, I'm gonna shoot that guy's car with a sticky dart." On their own they don't get to stick too many darts, except a small number of people who really make it their mission to stick darts on that guy. Some number of other people get accidentally cut off during a lane change, or maybe tailgated a little bit, and when they see a couple of sticky darts on the car, they're less inclined to see those actions as unintentional irritations and more inclined to see them as the deliberate actions of an asshole. Sticky dart. ROAD-FR0G's friendly wave as he passes suddenly seems like a sarcastic provocation, instead. Sticky dart. His "have a nice day" bumper sticker seems less like an optimistic slogan and more like a middle finger. Sticky dart. Sticky darts, Percy. There's no "established pattern" with me except a pattern of me being immediately subject to incredible personal vendettas starting with AZPaul3 on my return back in 2010 and subsequently by others, ever since. Sure, sure. You think I'm being "paranoid", except that I'm objectively not being paranoid. There's no other explanation for AZPaul3's immediately belligerent - and unprovoked - reply except that I somehow cause people to have personal vendettas against me. There's no other explanation for hackers following me to EvC to hack the place except that I somehow cause people to have personal vendettas against me. Crazyfrog writes:
You're as mad as a box of frogs. Percy writes:
You said that I believe the US is inherently more homicidal than the rest of the world and what I replied with was that I don't believe this. I said that you believe the US is inherently more homicidal than the rest of the world, and you responded (and I quote), "Your own data supports this.""There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
CrazyFrog writes:
Because you referred to it as a frog avatar. I knew it when I picked it. What gave you the impression I didn't know that?"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Hooah writes:
Nope, can't find it. The search function on that site coupled with me manually searching still yields no results. Has anyone else found what crash was referring to? I've even tried a google search. Your simple request for citation has again not been met. Theodoric writes:
Yes - it seems it is. Was that so hard?"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Straggler writes:
But there was a lack of car safety in the past: cars were far more dangerous - and so were the drivers. Imagine if after a huge motorway pile-up in which lots of people died the UK government decided to impose stringent restrictions on car use. The right to own a car was removed for many. Cars with engines over a certain CC were outright banned. The number of journeys and total amount of miles per week for those lucky enough to have a car was legally limited. Any infringement of road laws (e.g. parking violations) would result in the immediate confiscation of one's car and license.And as the number of cars increased, the number of fatalities/injuries increased. So legislation was introduced to mitigate this. The following requirements became compulsory:
(No chronological order is intended.)
Add to that all the non-compulsory elements added to car designs:
. Now - imagine we instead mirrored the gun lobbiest's suggestions to reduce car deaths/injuries:
To me, the 'NRA-type' stance becomes blatant nonsense if a car analogy is used. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Dr A. writes:
But that's crazy! But then Zombie King George III will rise from the grave to eat your liberties. What will actually happen is that Liz II will emerge from her secret lair (hidden under Buckingham Palace) and TAKE BACK AMERICA!!(We play the long game in the UK..."Slowly, slowly catchee monkey".) "There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Faith writes:
If the Poles had greeted the conquering Nazis with armed resistance would that have saved their country? If the Poles had greeted the conquering Nazis with peaceful protest would that have saved their country?"There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Faith writes:
Polish citizens were armed. HOWEVER, maybe armed resistance would have saved Poland, maybe it would even have deterred Hitler altogether.Yes - there was armed resistance. No - it didn't deter Hitler. Faith writes:
Yes - that is obvious. Again, I don't know. Just in case you'd like to actually know: Invasion of Poland - Wikipedia Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I suggest that you stop teaching children.
So when we teach our children that it is alright to murder 1 child every 20 seconds what do you expect them to grow up thinking. ICANT writes:
Which is why we don't want you to have a gun. Yea I know that is warped thinking, but warped people think in warped ways and do warped things. {abe}One last, obviously silly, quote: ICANT writes: Life is not precious in America.ICANT writes:
Perhaps it would help if you could maintain a consistent position - at least during a single post. The life of my wife is very precious as well as mine... Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes:
I am nowhere near to being in your situation - but thanks for the concern.
I am sorry you have to be fed with a spoon. ICANT writes:
It is not teaching. I don't teach children it is alright to commit murder but as a country we have made it legal to commit murder. Which is teaching our children it is alright to commit murder.Clearly you think abortion is murder. Are you therefore uneducated? Or perhaps you are just immune to learning? And in fact, if it is legal then, by definition, it is not murder.
ICANT writes:
Correct. If you are going to make such outlandish obervations you should at least not quote mine. But if you didn't you couldn't support your accusations.Without quotes from you, I could not support my claims about you. But luckily there are many posts from you to quote from. ICANT writes:
See...not just children with warped thinking. When you add the rest of the quote you see that the children are doing the thinking and I am saying that is warped thinking. But you are part of the problem by promoting that kind of warped thinking.That reminds me of something someone once said: "Yea I know that is warped thinking, but warped people think in warped ways and do warped things." Which is why we don't want you to have a gun. ICANT writes:
Thanks for elaborating. If life was precious in America there would be no abortions.There would be no alcohol. There would be no ilegal drugs The drugs and alcohol cause many children to go to bed each night hungry. So tell me how precious life is in America? But yes my life and the life of my wife is precious to me.I see that you tried to move the contradictory sentences further apart. Has that technique worked in the past? Anyway, you are still contradicting yourself."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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ICANT writes:
No, that is not how it works. Lets say you are making 50,000, you have taxable income of 42,000. Your tax rate would be 40% on 42,000 which would average out to 33.6% of your 50,000 income. Read it again:
ICANT writes: But paying 20% taxes on all income over 8,000 up to 41,500 and 40% on all income between 41,500 up to 150,000 and 50% over 150,000 should be oppresive to Americans. Using your example:
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8000 @ 0% = 0 Lets say you are making 50,000, you have taxable income of 42,000. Your tax rate would be 40% on 42,000 which would average out to 33.6% of your 50,000 income.41,500 - 8,000 = 33,500 @ 20% = 6,700 50,000 - 41,500 = 8,500 @ 40% = 3,400 Total income tax on 50,000 = 0 + 6,700 + 3,400 = 10,100Average = 20.2% And that is just one of many mistakes in your post.Economics is not one of your strengths. Your claim that we have an oppressively high tax rate is simply wrong.And if taxes are the nearest you can come to identifying a source UK oppression then that is pathetic. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
ICANT writes:
Only a handful of people in the UK earn over 50 million. Let me try the income tax on 50 million.Considering that only the highest, most influential people in the UK earn over 50 million; is your point that the people who run this country are oppressing themselves? And if taxes are all that you can think of (while being completely wrong about taxes) then you have nothing to support your claim that the UK is oppressed.
ICANT writes:
So - you admit that you do not know what you are talking about. How does the National Insurance work? Do you pay a 20% VAT tax on many items with a lesser VAT on some items? Does the landlords add the cost of their council tax into the rent? Does mortgage companies add the council tax into the payments and put it in escrow until the time to pay the council tax? That ought to clear it up for me.Then your claims of oppressive taxation are made in ignorance and should be ignored. {abe}Let's look at some of these rich and powerful people: The British Prime Minister, David Cameron and his wife Samantha Cameron. He is worth over 30 million and she is worth over 20 million. But he is oppressing both himself and his wife? Seriously? Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined: |
Tanypteryx writes:
Yes, read them as a kid - a fun read. Has anyone read The Weapon Shops of Isher and The Weapon Makers by A.E. van Vogt?A bit simplistic, but then Asimov's books could be too. But they are both entertaining authors. Tanypteryx writes:
The technology in those stories were very close to simply being magic. Their super-smart weapons technology stops their weapons from firing in anger or madness. They can only be used for self defense, hunting, target practice, etc. But I remember inventing ways to circumvent the security protocols. Tanypteryx writes:
This reminds me of a chat I was having the other day: "Has the biggest affect on crime been technological advances?" A good science-fiction read from the '50s and 60's, but maybe not so impossible with the technology today. The new camera I just bought my wife recognizes when it is pointed at people and focuses on their face.Car theft has halved (in the UK) in a decade. Why? Is it perhaps the central-locking, alarmed, engine immobilised, wheel locked, transponder keyed cars? I think technology can play a part in preventing all crimes, so guns shouldn't be any different.Would any policeman NOT want a gun that is programmed to only be fired by authorised people? Edited by Panda, : No reason given. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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saab writes:
I don't know what the point of religion is, when believers are so filled with violence, hated and fear. I dont know how influential Terry Jones is really but to me this struck as quite scary."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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ICANT writes:
Who put a gun in your home? You. Now if you let anyone but YOU put a gun in YOU home YOU are an idiot.Who put a gun in your wife's home? You. Who put a gun in your children's home (before they grew up)? You. Therefore your wife and children are idiots....using YOUR 'reasoning'. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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Panda Member (Idle past 3743 days) Posts: 2688 From: UK Joined:
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Give children guns.
What could possibly go wrong. Edited by Panda, : No reason given."There is no great invention, from fire to flying, which has not been hailed as an insult to some god." J. B. S. Haldane
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