Creationist = Anti-Environmentalist?

Buzsaw is a creationist who believes in Global Warming.I think in general its not that anyone denies global warming, as much as they aren't buying the anthropogenic portion of it. Everyone knows that the earth is warming. I think that many creationists simply believe that its a natural cyclical occurrence, rather than buying in to the political spin. Oppose the Endangered Species list? How do you figure since creationists believe animals were created by God, and evolutionists try to control natural selection. Wouldn't it be more likely in the reverse? Ah, yes, because all know how many CEO's for big oil are not only creationists, but also fund creationist programs. Every cause needs support. Yes, because being a fundamentalist Christian is living an easy life devoid of being mocked and ridiculed for virtually every belief. Its clear that they are lemmings, opposed to those on the opposite end of the spectrum. Such as? Woo-hoo!!! Destroy God's creation-- yeah, that makes perfect sense.
a) Creationists believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible. Salvation from the Tribulation is generally thought to be a good thing. Why wouldn't it? Forget all that other stuff in prophecy where Jesus that we will not know the day or hour of His coming. Creationists actually have a pact with God which says that they are allowed to quicken the process. Yes, because creationists are actually robots that don't breathe air, need a clean water supply, or need to eat contaminated food. So, yeah, of course they want to destroy the environment. It makes perfect sense. Who can refute such unassailable evidence? I think its very evident that what you've stated is true.Okay, I think that's enough with the sarcasm. It must take a special person to believe the nonsense you just purported.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

The same people saying its anthropogenically caused are the same people who predicted the next ice age. Does the same go for blue states opposing all things conservative? Then the same applies to the opposite end of the spectrum too. Noam Chomsky, one of the biggest critics of the US military and capitalism is in the top 2% of wealth and has worked on numerous programs with the military. Or bands like Rage Against the Machine who profit from the very thing they denounce. The irony is delicious. Yes, we want the rapture. But it doesn't mean there is a single thing that anyone can do to expedite the process. Being that I am a fundamentalist, whose around other fundamentalists, I think I have plenty of exposure. Since you aren't one, coupled with what you have perceived it to be, makes me question how much exposure you've had.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Ah, right... And lets not forget that he invented the internet too. Yes, meteorologists and climatologists who actively work in that field were predicting this new ice age. Why? Because it was statistically colder than in previous decades/centuries. When people say there is no global warming, I suspect they mean that the earth isn't heating up because of anything humans have done. And if it is, the Industrial Revolution is probably the largest contributor to that dilemma.

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Does the same go for blue states opposing all things conservative?

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Abortion. Illegal immigration. War policies. Greenhouse gases. Walmart. Capitalism. Healthcare. Just to name a few. Take your pick. I'm asking, if you get to make sweeping allegations, can I? It is if it nicely illustrates your willing to turn a blind eye to your own bias. Yes, and my point is that the Left is willingly to blindly follow theirs. So what makes one better than the other? No, they are the ones spreading the propaganda. Exploit it by making millions of dollars, all the while bitching about people that make millions of dollars? What did they prove? That capitalism works? The government sides with Israel because its a flourishing Democracy, proven to be an ally. What does one have to do with the other? I believe a warming trend is occuring. I believe a nominal percentage is due to humans. I believe the majority of it is part of a natural cycle. I believe this hype is an unfortunate causualty of politics.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

No, of course not. I should probably add that I would absolutely love doing away with oil altogether. Unfortunately, in order to fuel us we need something major. I was all for the introduction of Ethynol, much like Brazil is doing. And for the most part, I still am. The only problem is that it cannot currently sustain a nation the size of the US. I'm still waiting for cold fusion. Until then, we have to be realistic. We need oil. That's just the bottom line, as unfortunate as it is.My biggest issue is that the biggest loudmouth's about how to conserve energy do no such thing. Cripes, Al Gore spends more on fuel in his lier jet, traveling to seminars so he can chastise us! Hey, how about leading us by example buddy?See, the issue is that they aren't really offering any viable solutions. Of those they are presenting, are they leading us by example? No. So instead of telling us that the sky is falling, how about implementing something plausible?http://youtube.com/watch?v=j9QQcP_Y1II

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Crash, this whole debate has been going on a lot longer than Soylent Green. Sire Thomas Malthus predicted, much in the same way, that the earth's population would grow out of control, to the point where humans would use up every natural resource, and thus, we would exterminate ourselves. Of course, Malthus neglected to predict the enormous impact that the Industrial Revolution had on agrigulture. Obviously, his prediction never materialized. But what remains today is that same climate of fear. Can I see these ten models? There were quite a few, which I have provided for you the last time we had this argument. If you'd like me to dig up the old thread, I will show you. Sure, since you would never be in shortage of reasons for why it would be. You are invoking reasons for the climate change without considering that this is what the climate does. I suppose you'd blame the last ice age on humans too if you could. What anthropogenic cause did that have? It happened. It was drastic. I'm sure it killed many, many species-- yet, it was entirely a natural phenomenon. What does an authoritarian have to do with it? Look at the kids drooling over MTV, Crash. That's their source of inspiration-- that drivel! And yet they call me the sheep?!?!? Look at those lemmings. Everything society tells them to do, they dutifully follow. Not an autonomous bone in their body. Yet they sneer at me? They have their Pied Piper. We have a few in the Middle East. Israel just happens to be the closely modeled after America as any western nation. Not for lack of desire on their part, I'm sure. We plead with them not to get involved-- even as SCUD's rain down on their cities. We stay their hand because we all know what will happen if we don't. But we can't expect them to sit on their hands forever. A friend in a sea of enemies and fair-weather friends. The natural cycle that has been a part of the earth's climatological history.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

I assume you have evidence of said bribery? What I am doing is debunking your sweeping allegations. You neglect to say some, and instead, say all. It appears that Petro has asked you several times to corroborate your claims that creationists are anti-environment. If you want to stay on topic, then I suggest you cough up some proof. We'll start with just one name. Give me one name in order to keep this thread going. No. This might be your shining moment to substantiate your claim that creationists hate the environment. Holy cow, man. Listen one song-- any song.I'll give you a hint. Canada is a Democratic Socialist nation, which isn't entirely the same thing. And Canada does have our help. But more importantly, they don't require our help in the same way Israel does. And here is why:

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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Yes, meteorologists and climatologists who actively work in that field were predicting this new ice age. Why? Because it was statistically colder than in previous decades/centuries.

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Why is it inconceivable that a similar ignorance will always exist? Why do you suppose that climatologists know it all know, just because they more than they did in the past?

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

I have just started a book, entitled, Unstoppable Global Warming: Every 1,500 years, which allegedly chronicles earth's climatology, compiling evidence from dendrochronology and ice core samples, etc. Additionally, they add to the mix the reasons why climatology has become a cottage industry with huge political ties. Thus far, I see that those who have ascribed to the notion of anthropogenic global warming will not like the material presented in this book. But I guess what matters is we are getting both sides of an issue.I'll let you know when I'm done.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

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What does an authoritarian have to do with it? Look at the kids drooling over MTV, Crash. That's their source of inspiration-- that drivel! And yet they call me the sheep?!?!? Look at those lemmings. Everything society tells them to do, they dutifully follow. Not an autonomous bone in their body. Yet they sneer at me? They have their Pied Piper.

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I don't know, Nuggin. You're the expert. Why don't you tell us. While you're at it, you can expand some of that expertise by providing evidence of your assertion that creationists are anti-environment. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : typo

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

I wasn't aware of a difference. Can you expound on the differences? Well, lets see.... I wonder how often the "environmentalists" on the forum have actually done one, solitary thing for the environment. Recycling doesn't count, despite the perceived virtuosity the uber-greenies may think it to be. Among some of my other law enforcement duties, I fine those who are polluting, take part in oil spill clean-ups, and inspect various vessels to keep them in compliance with federal regulations.I'd say that makes me a modern day eco-warrior, wouldn't you?I love a clean environment. I think its important to keep nature as pristine as possible. What I have a hard time falling in with, is how politicized the whole thing is. Even worse are these E.L.F. ghouls who have nothing better to do than firebomb businesses and homes of alleged polluters.Maybe they are unaware that burning a chemical factory, or any home, really, does vastly more harm to the environment. Geniuses.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

I've demanded that you provide the very things you've claimed. You've yet to provide a shred of evidence that would corroborate it.As for me saying a lot of crap, I find this terribly ironic coming from someone who claimed that creationists want and"Prey on the Ignorant, Destroy the World!, pay influential members of this group to convince the flock to follow," etc, without having been able to give any justification for it. I must have missed that. Can you show me where said proof is located? If creationism entails Christianity, then they don't hate the world. And they don't want the world to end. What they want is God to restore the world in the pristine condition it began with. That must be it. They're just stupid. But you, you must be the embodiment of brilliance. The truth about God could probably be summarized that He's not concerned with right or left, but only right or wrong. I thought skepticism was to be cherished. I'm just not sold on the idea that creationists are anti-environmentalism. I guess we'd have to define what environmentalism means to you. Our versions might differ considerably. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : No reason given.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Well, then thanks for all your hard efforts. You should come out of lurk mode more often. I'm sure you have a lot to offer the forum.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

How on earth would my cynicism of anthropogenically caused global warming mean that I'm anti-environmentalist?You know, the co-founder of Greenpeace, Patrick Moore, has basically renounced his affiliation with Greenpeace because of how politicized they have become, and how little they actually care about the environmentalism. Its just a stage for these people. Its just something to relieve their angsty, dejected feelings.Is Moore then against the environment because he exposed the agenda of certain environmentalists? Certainly not.You are making it so that if I am unconvinced on an issue, or believe many, if not most, environmentalists are a bunch of yahoos, that must somehow mean that I don't care about the environment. The logic doesn't follow. And it only better supports my assertion that environmentalists are just a bunch of hacks looking for attention. Your answers are completely insufficient, as you dance around the subject. Its been pointed out to you by several people. You haven't met the objective. I already know that you can't. So I guess in that way I'm not expecting much from you. Really I suppose I'm looking for you to admit that you went way over your head. Oh yeah.... Of course... I was actually thinking of inviting you to the smoke-filled rooms in our underground lair. Like all Leftist fundamentalists, you're all talk, and no gumption. Look, you made a pretty audacious claim. Its high time you stop providing obscure tongue-in-cheek evidence, or renounce your claim. If I'm arrogant, then Mother Theresa has some explaining to do. That's exactly the kind of mentality that is supposed to come about during the last days. But I think you should be careful what you wish for. You may just get everything you want. But will you want what you're going to get? Food for thought, friend.

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias

Can I add to it? There is nothing wrong with people who care about the environment. The issue, at least for me, is that many of these groups are extreme. Their efforts are often counter-productive, whiny, criminal, and above all, dangerous. I see many of them as using the environment as a platform to spew rhetoric about their political enemies. I'm not trying to be offensive when I say this, but what do you want, a medal? Teaching one's kids or nephews to pick up after themselves is as basic as tying shoelaces. I wouldn't exactly call you an eco-warrior for that. Well, Sonne claims to lead a group of conservationists, apparently in his/her spare time. But your point is taken. My household makes a very concerted attempt to recycle, to always take trash to a receptacle, etc too. And just how much more can we do, you may be asking yourself. But if someone is going to piously scold me for hating the environment, just because my views are generally more conservative than theirs, I'm going to call them out on it. They had better be doing more than I am. Yeah, but I specifically chose the job. You may be inclined to laud Greenpeace for their efforts, but I doubt you'd dismissively state that its their job. I can't argue with any of that.

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Maybe they are unaware that burning a chemical factory, or any home, really, does vastly more harm to the environment. Geniuses.

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Sure, if you want to mock her for making fun of their perception of conservatives. The problem is, these guys aren't being jocular, and what's worse, they actually do it. Nothing. 'Green' is fashionable these days. All of the 2008 candidates must have a greenthumb or they won't get the votes. Like I said, totally political. Edited by Nemesis Juggernaut, : typo

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"It is better to shun the bait, than struggle in the snare." -Ravi Zacharias