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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
Not a good way to start off by insulting people.
All I asked for is: 1. We use words with their accepted meanings. This enables effective communication. Without that you might as well try to communicate with me in Fanagalo. A language both you and I can neither speak, nor understand.2. Provide references and evidence for your wild claims. We are in the science forums here, after all. To me it seems as if you're just here for preaching purposes. Not debate. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
You're jumping the gun, again.
First provide references for your first claim you made on this thread.
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Pressie Member Posts: 2103 From: Pretoria, SA Joined: |
quote: Luckily your beliefs don't count for anything on science forums. Those references for your wild claims, please. Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
I do believe your pride and your unwillingness to admit you do not know the 3rd element has derailed you . . . science is indeed very interesting .. especially when you have the courage to follow it to its logical conclusion . . . you'll need patience and an attention span Still playing games. Curiously I don't see your first number guess, so I guess ... your pride and your unwillingness to admit you do not know the number has derailed you . . . science is indeed very interesting .. especially when you have the courage to follow it to its logical conclusion . . . you'll need patience and an attention span ... Amusingly, nothing you have said so far involves science ... or facts. You're just stale hot air. Edited by RAZD, : ... Edited by RAZD, : ...by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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dadman Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 45 From: wichita Kansas USA Joined: |
well it does seem to me that the 3rd element is indeed your greatest fear
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
well it does seem to me that the 3rd element is indeed your greatest fear Have any evidence? If there is no evidence for it what's to worry? And if there is evidence for it then science will accept it. You just have to have evidence. Got any?Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein How can I possibly put a new idea into your heads, if I do not first remove your delusions?--Robert A. Heinlein It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1
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Drosophilla Member (Idle past 3670 days) Posts: 172 From: Doncaster, yorkshire, UK Joined: |
not at all . . . you still haven't displayed the third element .. hint: .. it has nothing to do with matter or energy Science knows currently of around 118 elements (including artificial ones generated fleetingly in labs under extreme conditions). As Dr Adequate points out the third element in Atomic Number order is Lithium - a white silvery alkali metal that is highly reactive and never found in free atomic form in nature but in compounds instead. Is this what we are 'scared of' - reactive lithium metal? Science knows of no other specific 'third element' so it sounds to me like a case of "You're making shit up". By the way - just out of courtesy so you know who you are debating on EvC, many of the people on here are actual practising professional scientists with decades of experience in their various fields. We have on this site, theoretical physicists, archaeologists, geneticists, geologists, mathematicians ...hell the list goes on and on. They can also tell simply from the way you phrase a sentence (as I can - though I'm not a practising scientist) that you are certainly not one yourself - it stands out a mile! A little humility will go a long way here. Remember the old adage:"Best to keep one's mouth shut and be thought a fool, than open it and remove all doubt".
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frako Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
well it does seem to me that the 3rd element is indeed your greatest fear So there you have it the third element, all the atheists are running away in fear and committing suicide, there is chaos everywhere, prison populations have dropped by 0,80 % because of the atheist suicides.... Why should we be afraid of lithium? Symbol: LiCategory: Alkali metal Atomic number: 3 Atomic weight: 6.941 State: solid Melting Point: 453.69 K (180.54˚C) Boiling Point: 1615 K (1342˚C) Heat of fusion: 3.00 kJ mol-1 Molar heat capacity: 24.860 kJ mol-1 Heat of vaporization: 147.1 kJ mol-1 Oxidation states: +1,-1 (strongly basic oxide) Van der waals radius: 182 pm Covalent radius: 128±7 pm Electronegativity: 0.98 Pauling Scale Atomic radius: 152 pm Whats scary about that? Or are you talking about the laughable idea of the 5 elements from the dark ages. Fire is not an element its a chemical reaction that releases heat. Earth is not an element its made up of molecules and some elements from the periodic table Water is not an element its a molecule containing an element of oxygen and 2 elements of hydrogen Metal's can be an element's tough most metals nowadays are compounds wood is also not an element its made of cellulose an organic compound Edited by frako, : No reason given. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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dadman Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 45 From: wichita Kansas USA Joined: |
What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that Christians are going to do nothing to you ... and indeed you are forgiven .. time to receive life .. also: the third element has nothing to do with matter or energy . . . good try though ... cheers Edited by dadman, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Christians are going to do nothing to you ... Now don't go saying silly stuff like that when all the evidence shows that "Christians" have been among the most successful groups at genocide and doing stuff to folk.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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frako Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
you have to display the three elements of life .. matter / energy and ... xxx Um there is no third element of life. Life in its basic form is a replicating molecule. For that you need matter as in the molecule, and energy thats it. Ok sure you need space but that's a given. Are you claiming you need something more to let a molecule replicate itself like magic, well sorry you dont need magic. Now you might think but we are not a molecule we are made up billions of molecules. Exactly molecules not magic, all following the laws of chemistry in our universe not magic. Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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dadman Member (Idle past 3690 days) Posts: 45 From: wichita Kansas USA Joined: |
Um there is no third element of life .. Life in its basic form is a replicating molecule and these folks call themselves scientists ....... lol .............. replicating Edited by dadman, : No reason given.
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Stile Member Posts: 4295 From: Ontario, Canada Joined: |
dadman writes: I do believe your pride and your unwillingness to admit you do not know the 3rd element has derailed you... well it does seem to me that the 3rd element is indeed your greatest fear The 3rd element is spiders!!?I always knew there was something fishy about life... That's my guess, anyway. The 3rd element is either spiders... or I don't know what you're getting at. science is indeed very interesting .. especially when you have the courage to follow it to its logical conclusion . . . This one's always fun.Most people claim that "following science to it's logical conclusion" leads to some sort of heartless wasteland or anarchy apocalypse or something. They're not true, though, of course. They're just the logical conclusion of what some people think are the premises of science. They have the premises wrong... so they reach wrong logical conclusions. But maybe yours is different? Maybe the logical conclusion of science is spiders as well! I don't know why you're so hung up on such things.
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frako Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
and these folks call themselves scientists ....... lol .............. replicating
Yea your saying that dna does not replicate damn all of our science is wrong!!! Lets pick up the bible and burn all other books right now!!! Either your a troll or you have the education of a fire hydrant. a bit of education for you. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1433 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Message 38: well .. before you give up .. you might think about (aside from the evolution debate) how it is now scientifically proven that all life is triune and derives from a source of intelligence . . . I would call this going from point A to B Message 41: first of all .. you have to display the three elements of life .. matter / energy and ... xxx Well you haven't said anything else of note since these first two posts other than to say it isn't lithium and it isn't porn.
well it does seem to me that the 3rd element is indeed your greatest fear Nope, and here's why:
Rocks are made of matter and they are not life. Falling water has energy and it is not life. The sun converts matter into energy and it is not alive. In science when you try to describe things you do so by those aspects that differentiate what you are describing from things that are not what you are describing. So far you have failed utterly to do this, because what you list applies to non-life as well as life. That makes it a dud, man. Thus I don't expect your "3rd element" to be anything more than a personal fantasy that is rather irrelevant to the reality of what life is. Especially if you never get off your high horse and stop playing games. Personally I think you don't want to reveal your precious "3rd element" because you know it will be mocked, disparaged, shown to be irrelevant, and certainly discredited as any kind of scientific discovery.
Message 59: and I'll bet you don't really want to debate your position sure I do . . . as soon as you can display the 3rd element or admit you do not know (that's okay) we can continue . . . as I have stated before .. this is an exercise in scientific logic and reason .. not to be derailed or diverted . . . peace & love I'm thinking of a number between 1 and 10 and when you guess it we can move on ... and I'll let you have 10 guesses. No, you want to play games. Let me know when you get around to something to debate. Still no number, you must really really really be afraid of guessing. It's not that hard. Or just admit that you have no clue. Of course you WILL be wrong. That's the game dadman, so play your card or continue to be mocked and laughed at anyway. Edited by RAZD, : sunby our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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