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Theodoric
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Message 15 of 65 (720994)
03-02-2014 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by anglagard
03-01-2014 11:53 PM


Re: Solutions?
Conservatives have no solutions. All they have is complaining, whining and bitching.
What do they think the USA should do, attack Russian troops?
The actions outlined by Sec Kerry today seem to be very prudent and much more likely to garner success than war would.
Freezing assets, restricting trade and visas, while rallying the international community, is probably a very good move.
Now if Putin turns off the gas all bets are off. Europe will be forced into bolder actions. Turning off the gas is a very dangerous gamble for Putin. The Russian economy is not and has never been particularly strong. They are basically a kleptocracy. The billionaires created by the russian kleptocracy are not going to willingly see their fortunes go down. Also, they have China poised at their backdoor looking for away to distract their people and the world from their internal problems. Russia also has its own internal dissent. Dagestan, Chechnya and Ossetia are not that far away from the Ukraine.
Putin is playing a very dangerous game. But I think he has forgotten that in international politics you want to play the long game. Winning the battle is no good if it doesn't help you in the long term. Also, he is relying solely on the force of arms, which might help him get his foothold, but he lacks the resources needed to win the game.
The western world can cripple the Russian economy without force of arms. It may not be as exciting for the arm chair generals and special forces wannabes that proliferate throughout the conservative and libertarian movements, but it would be more effective and cost less in money, materiel and lives.
Unfortunately, the conservative and libertarian movements in the US only care about the money in their individual bank accounts, lose of materiel is a way to war profiteer and fuck everyone elses lives.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 17 of 65 (720998)
03-02-2014 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Coyote
03-02-2014 11:23 AM


resident Obama told the Ukrainians that if they liked their country, they could keep it.
If you are trying to make a point or say something maybe you should actually post something that means something.
Please tell us what you are referring to in this comment. I understand that you and the other wingnuts are trying to make some sort of sly, witty comparison to the ACA, but you come off as petty, and ignorant. Show me the text of Obama making this statement and what it means.
Still no solutions?
Back up your attacks with some argument and substance. If not be a typical wingnut and whine and bitch.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Theodoric
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Message 19 of 65 (721000)
03-02-2014 1:15 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by NoNukes
03-02-2014 1:07 PM


oh I understand the reference. just wondering how Coyote thinks it is relevant to Ukraine.
It just reinforces that wingnuts only have soundbites and questionably witty retorts. No substance, no solutions.
As all wingnuts Coyote suffers from Obama derangement syndrome.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 24 of 65 (721044)
03-03-2014 10:08 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by 1.61803
03-03-2014 9:53 AM


Re: Welcome back cold war
What else can we do?
War is not an option. Is it?

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 42 of 65 (721255)
03-05-2014 4:30 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by AZPaul3
03-05-2014 4:20 PM


Re: Orwellian baseline?
I tend to spell it as colour too. My grandmother was the first person to teach my how to write, she was from Canada so I tend to have some weird spelling for the US.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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Message 60 of 65 (733499)
07-17-2014 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by Modulous
07-17-2014 1:40 PM


Re: Rumours that the latest Malaysian plane was shot down by Russia/Ukraine?
What kind of equipment would one need to fire 11km straight up?
The kind of equipment Russia is sending to the separatists. Anti-aircraft batteries capable of doing this were reported in the hands of the rebels last week.

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

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