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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
The Huffington Post describes a political relationship between the right wing and the Muslims but it's the Muslims dong the violence.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Algemeiner cites the rise of the far right as a cause for concern, and even leaving - in the reticle I linked to previously Neo-Nazis on the Rise in Europe, Jews | Jewish & Israel News Algemeiner.com
Neo-nazis are certainly linked to violence EU migrant crisis: Arrival of refugees in Germany 'fuelling rise in neo-Nazi violence' | World | News | Express.co.uk Really, are you suggesting that heo-Nazi's AREN'T violent anti-Semites ? Or that Jewish concern over the far right doesn't exist when Jewish sources say otherwise ?
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Percy Member Posts: 22504 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Just skimming the Newsweek article you mentioned (Exodus: Why Europe's Jews Are Fleeing Once Again), it does seem to indicate a significant role for Islam in Jews fleeing Europe, particularly France:
quote: Speaking generally to the thread, most persecution and prejudice isn't overtly visible but is just a thousand little cuts. One goes where the future is brightest, and Jews in Europe feel the future dimming. The allusion to WWII is no accident. In Germany Jewish hatred was fueled and encouraged by Nazism's harsh, ruthless and violent practices, but government is only one tool of prejudice. Just being in some group's gun sights diminishes one's human value. Living safe and sound someplace far from the problem we can say that Europeans have a moral obligation to stand united behind their fellow citizens who happen to be Jews, but if we were living in France with a Jewish family next door would we wish them gone to protect our own safety? --Percy
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Really, are you suggesting that heo-Nazi's AREN'T violent anti-Semites ? Or that Jewish concern over the far right doesn't exist when Jewish sources say otherwise ? I'm saying the same thing over and over: the Jews are said to be moving to Israel, and say themselves that they are moving to Israel because of Islamic attacks on them. Worries about the right wing may add to the decision but they aren't the reason for it according to all the reports. The right wing may be known to be violent but in the context of why Jews are leaving France in the last few years that has not been a cause no matter how hard you work to make it into a cause, it just doesn't happen to be a cause. It is Muslim attacks that are the cause. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: I'm saying the same thing over and over: the Jews are said to be moving to Israel, and say themselves that they are moving to Israel because of Islamic attacks on them. Boy are the Jews stupid. Really stupid. "Hey, since the Muslim kids burned some cars let's pack up and move our asses right into the middle of the Muslim world where we will definitely be a minority. Let's not move to Canada; let's all go get right in the frying pan."Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
and say themselves that they are moving to Israel because of Islamic attacks on them.
You have provided nothing that supports this. Articles are claiming this but no one has supplied even one iota of evidence that this is a main reason. It very well may be true but you have supplied absolutely no data to show it is. Like most things you spout I assume it is false until you provide evidence to support. Since you never provide evidence... well we all know the rest.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
Faith, my point was that you mentioned Muslim ant-semitism and you mentioned left-wing anti-semitism, yet you did not mention right wing anti-semitism even though there is genuine concern about it in the Jewish community.
Algemeiner on the rise of the far right in Europe:
Obviously Jews need to gauge the progress of Europe’s economy and the impending uprising in their midst. Passports should be up to date, and excess funds moved to safer shores. Israel might prudently prepare for an influx of European Jews.
So why didn't you mention it and why not as it that you should have mentioned it ?
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
I didn't mention it because it hadn't been given as a reason for the move to Israel, only the Muslim attacks, the synagogue burnings and so on. It didn't even cross my mind. It's a factor I see now but not a big one for some reason. I mentioned the Left wing version because I'm very aware of it since I receive Messianic Jewish news reports about Left wing hatred of Israel.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9201 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.2 |
Followers of Messianic Judaism are by definition not Jews.
It is just a cynical attempt to proselytize to Jewish people. Jews worldwide have rejected this version of apocalyptic christianity. The ones I have met are smarmy, duplicitous snakes. Worse than evangelicals aand just as dangerous.Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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All of Judaism is Messianic, just that they all know that so far there have only been failed messiahs.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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PaulK Member Posts: 17828 Joined: Member Rating: 2.3 |
quote: Apart from the fact that it had been - at least if you had bothered to read the Algemeiner article.
quote: In other words you just didn't think about it. You could have admitted as much without arguing. Though it's quite bizarre that you'll think about Hitler and Nazis when you want to silence opposing opinions or attack Obama, but not when talking about European Jews.
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14174dm Member (Idle past 1138 days) Posts: 161 From: Cincinnati OH Joined: |
Pew Research has an article on Europe's Muslim population:
5 facts about the Muslim population in Europe | Pew Research Center At 20 million-ish, Muslims were roughly 6% in 2010 and projected to hit 8% in 2030. By my math, assuming all Muslims are anti-Semitic (extreme example), then to get the 40% anti-Semitic for all Europe means roughly 35% of other Europeans are. An article referenced by another Pew Research article is from the New York Times on Jews leaving France.
Fear on Rise, Jews in France Weigh an Exit - The New York Times The NYT article discusses how the Jews are leaving due to the Muslim extremist attacks in France and the fear of more. So while Muslims are a small percentage of the European population, Jews in France perceive Muslims are more of a threat than anti-Semitics in general. In my searching I found a Duke University study. The title asks a good question - Why so rare?
Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security - With 20 million Muslims in Europe and 3.3 million in the US, if terror was acceptable, expected, whatever to the Muslims then wouldn't some percentage of their population be involved? The Duke study lists less than 200 actively involved which works out to 0.006% of US Muslims. According to the Duke study (pg 471 bottom), US Muslims are as middle class as US in general and more integrated than the European Muslims. Is Muslim violence like much of the violence in the US coming from perceived poverty and alienation from the dominant culture? I could see where adding a religious aspect would provide a target for violence rather than just mugging whoever is available.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8564 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 4.7
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Are you trying to say that the majority of the Muslim population is made up of normal human kinda people?
Well, who'da thunk.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's Islam the religion that is "anti-Semitic" and that's not really a useful term for it. Not Muslims as such. You are missing the point. To take the west for Allah requires the building up of the population to a certain level. That hasn't happened yet. Most of the Muslims themselves are probably not aware of this plan, but it is spelled out by a variety of Muslim leaders, which is what I want to show from the book I've ordered. Turns out it won't get here until Friday.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Faith writes: To take the west for Allah requires the building up of the population to a certain level. That hasn't happened yet. Most of the Muslims themselves are probably not aware of this plan, but it is spelled out by a variety of Muslim leaders, which is what I want to show from the book I've ordered. Let's hope the book provides more than the usual unsupported assertions, innuendo and quote mining. If it's just more of the usual Faith, don't waste our time with it. If it does happen to actually have some evidence then it might be of passing interest.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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