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Message 2659 of 2887 (832412)
05-03-2018 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 2656 by ringo
05-03-2018 11:56 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
Maybe I have low standards, or maybe I'm just up against a hidebound bunch of anti-dreationists.

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Message 2660 of 2887 (832413)
05-03-2018 11:59 AM
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05-03-2018 10:42 AM


Re: trilobite species
Yes I did.

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Message 2662 of 2887 (832416)
05-03-2018 12:04 PM
Reply to: Message 2646 by 14174dm
05-03-2018 10:40 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
One important detail to note is that the layers above the eroded channels in the column are level. If the channels were due to salt or limestone dissolving after the layers were deposited, the layers above would have sagged.
Yes I noticed that and that does usually happen, but in this case I'd guess the amount of salt wasn't great enough AND the channels filled up with soft sediments that had already been deposited.
The only way I can think of having channels in the buried layers with level layers above is to erode the channels then add layers above.
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Or for sediments already deposited but still soft to fill up the channel?
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Message 2663 of 2887 (832417)
05-03-2018 12:06 PM
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05-03-2018 12:01 PM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
Disagree on both counts.

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Message 2664 of 2887 (832419)
05-03-2018 12:08 PM
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05-03-2018 11:56 AM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
Better proof for the non-existence of god would be hard to find.
Or for the stubborn willful blindness of fallen humanity.

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Message 2667 of 2887 (832422)
05-03-2018 12:11 PM
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05-03-2018 12:09 PM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
But nothing to say to support your disagreement.
Nor did ringo have anything to say to support the remark I disagreed with.

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Message 2668 of 2887 (832423)
05-03-2018 12:13 PM
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05-03-2018 12:10 PM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
Funny, I think you are wrong on both counts, and that the status quo interpretation has no real evidence and is definitely all in your heads.
Keep up the silly one liners, ringo, I can answer you one for one.

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Message 2675 of 2887 (832434)
05-03-2018 3:38 PM
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05-03-2018 12:20 PM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
I'm the only one here with the correct understanding of the Bible, but that of course means that everybody else with the weird views claims I'm the wrong one.
I just need to take my evidence to people who know what evidence is.

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Message 2676 of 2887 (832435)
05-03-2018 3:41 PM
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05-03-2018 1:04 PM


Re: trilobite species
If you don't think my latest description suffices there's no point in digging up the other post where I discussed it.

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Message 2677 of 2887 (832436)
05-03-2018 3:42 PM
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05-03-2018 12:45 PM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
I see no need to answer that pack of lies.

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Message 2678 of 2887 (832437)
05-03-2018 3:51 PM
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05-03-2018 1:05 PM


Re: Ancient beaches and seas, no
it normally would cause them to sag so some other explanation is needed in this case. I say it's probably the small amount of salt and the hardness of the layers above, and the fact that softer sediment did immediately fill the channels. The really saggy places I've seen were obviously just deposited by the Flood, and there was lots of salt and the entire stratigraphic column sagged as a unit.
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Message 2680 of 2887 (832439)
05-03-2018 3:54 PM
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05-03-2018 3:53 PM


Re: trilobite species
I didn't say any more in the previous post than in the latest post.

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Message 2689 of 2887 (832455)
05-04-2018 5:10 AM
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05-04-2018 2:31 AM


Re: Crinoids are pretty fragile, live or dead
Well, as you know, my job is to fit it into the Flood. Let me know if any ideas occur.

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Message 2690 of 2887 (832456)
05-04-2018 5:33 AM
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05-03-2018 5:45 PM


Re: Limestones are very much mostly of biochemical precipitate origin
...lived in an offshore environment within a few miles of the coast.
All that is evo fairy tale/interpretation, like "Tapeats beach" and other such imaginary landscapes that always make my eyes roll so hard they want to jump out of my skull. Facts such as where it was found in this real world, circumstances of its finding, by whom, when, what else was found nearby and so on, would be far more useful. You know, FACTS, real observable things, FACTS, not interpretations and wild imaginations.
Oh and information about how fast crinoids grow would be helpful. I've googled it but not found the answer. Others here do much better at that sort of research than I do.
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Message 2692 of 2887 (832465)
05-04-2018 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 2428 by edge
04-30-2018 12:11 AM


Re: Can't... keep... the... snark... restrained
edge writes:
Then you should explain why there are cobbles of granite and schist and shale, etc. along with the quartzite.
quote by who knows? writes:
...The Tapeats Sandstone represents near-shore beach and sand bar deposits.
Evo/Geo Fairy Tale Landscape. Reminds me of "Puff the Magic Dragon lived by the sea ...
continuing quote writes:
The base of the Tapeats contains a conglomerate member (part of the Tapeats), called the Hotauta Conglomerate. This was a pebble beach formed as the Tonto Sea encroached and tore up the Vishnu, so the Hotauta contains schist and granite pebbles.
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So, how do you get rounded pebbles of schist along with quartzite in the conglomerate just above the unconformity? If they were so soft they should be folded instead of forming hard 'river rock' cobbles.
But they weren't all THAT soft.
What is more, how do you get rounded pebbles and cobbles of granite if the granite was not formed until long after the entire stratigraphic section at the GC?
The rocks got formed fast beneath all that weight of three miles of sedimentary layers and the heat of the friction and the volcano. Geology always imputes way too much time to just about any kind of geological event.
And no, don't even think for a minute that faulting in either soft or hard rock can form hard, rounded pebbles.
If the movement at the GU broke off chunks as I'm supposing happened because of the dampness of the rocks (though pretty hard from compaction), then I'd also suppose some of the chunks got rolled into pebble shapes, you know, the way you can roll damp clay into balls between your hands. Yes I know you say faults can't do that, I'm not even to go there, but since you believe in all kinds of evo fairy tales about imaginary landscapes and seascapes in the unknowable distant past, I can't take your views about what happened in the distant past very seriously. Maybe most faults don't produce pebbles and cobbles, but this movement occurred during the Flood, a whole nother set of circumstances. Not your usual fault.
All you've got is imaginary landscapes, at least mine has an independent witness from the time itself to a great event even if it doesn't spell out all the particulars. It spells out enough to contradict the whole Old Earth fairy tale and suggest a very different explanation for the observed phenomena.
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