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Faith
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Message 721 of 960 (812541)
06-17-2017 11:03 AM
Reply to: Message 720 by JonF
06-17-2017 10:40 AM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
Lies? Name one.
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ringo
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Message 722 of 960 (812543)
06-17-2017 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 700 by Faith
06-16-2017 1:25 PM


Re: Hate speech
Faith writes:

Nothing I could possibly say would make you see it and I don't need the grief, thanks anyway.


So you have no examples to back up your claim. No surprises there.
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JonF
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Message 723 of 960 (812554)
06-17-2017 12:36 PM
Reply to: Message 721 by Faith
06-17-2017 11:03 AM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
Easy.

First admit that your claim that what's happening is unprecedented is wrong.


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Faith
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Message 724 of 960 (812558)
06-17-2017 12:55 PM
Reply to: Message 723 by JonF
06-17-2017 12:36 PM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
Easy.
First admit that your claim that what's happening is unprecedented is wrong.

No, Jones and Nugent are not the media, they are not Wolf Blitzer, they are not CNN or CBS or NBC or the NY Times or the Huffington Post or the Washington Post, their opinions never get aired on the Yahoo news page either. They are not Hollywood stars, they are not Madonna, they are not Congress, they are not paid by someone like Soros, they are not prime time comedians, they are not The View, they did not participate in violent protests against Obama, they did not call for his assassination or back anyone who did. THAT kind of attack on Trump is what is unprecedented. Obama had lots of conservative critics, he did not have anything like what is being thrown at Trump, this concerted organized Leftwing attempt to bring him down and impede his every move and make up stuff that doesn't exist to poison the public against him. (By now it's clear there was no Russian collusion, but it wouldn't serve them to give it up so they won't.)

ABE: and in fact Jones for one, and probably Nugent too, is the target of all the above along with Trump. Don't give me this phony equation, there is no comparison.

So --what lies?

.

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Message 725 of 960 (812564)
06-17-2017 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by Faith
06-17-2017 12:55 PM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
The biggest difference is that Obama obeyed the law and respected the US Constitution and possessed empathy for the injustices committed by government in the US against minorities and those who were not "WASPs"

Obama did not propose illegal and anti-Constitutional acts.


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JonF
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Message 726 of 960 (812565)
06-17-2017 2:23 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by Faith
06-17-2017 12:55 PM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
No, Jones and Nugent are not the media

Jones is most definitely the media. He has 29 million views per month (23.4 from the US), he claims to be a news site, he has White House press credentials.

Ted Nugent is certainly equivalent to a Hollywood star. He's a well-known rock start who's had number 1 hits.

BTW Nugent has called for Obama's assassination. That kind of attack on Trump is precedented.

quote:
As the Daily Beast chronicled, Nugent discussed shooting Harry Reid during the National Rifle Association’s annual meeting in 2015. In January 2016, he called for both Obama and Clinton to “be tried for treason & hung.” Nugent once called Clinton a “worthless bitch” and called for her to “ride one of these [guns] into the sunset.” He told Obama to “suck on my machine gun.”

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Faith
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Message 727 of 960 (812573)
06-17-2017 4:08 PM
Reply to: Message 726 by JonF
06-17-2017 2:23 PM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
No you are still missing the point. Jones and Nugent are completely isolated from the mainstream news sources, and according to Jones he is subjected to censorship on social media too. Nugent may be a rock star but his politics aren't aired like the Leftist stars' are; Jones has a lot more viewers than most of the MSM but he's nevertheless confined to public oblivion. (Tim Allen is a star but as soon as he showed his Trump colors he was kicked off his very popular show.) In any case, you have to go LOOK for them, you will not see them all the time as you do the Leftists, on just any MSM outlet. Because they are not Leftists, they are anti-Leftists, so they are carefully confined to a separate sphere where it can be pretended that they don't exist. Everybody knows all the names I listed but only diehard rightwingers know of Jones and Nugent. Until recently anyway -- seeing Jones on the Yahoo news page because of the Megyn Kelly flap was a first. And they don't want to air that interview either, so his brief public exposure isn't going to last anyway.

I'm sure Nugent's NRA call to shoot Harry Reid was a joke --it made me laugh anyway --not like Madonna's fantasy of blowing up the white house which was only too serious, not to mention all the other suggestions of murdering Trump that I keep hearing about. And even your own quote doesn't have Nugent calling for Obama's assassination as you claimed, he calls for Obama and Clinton to be tried for treason and hung. Not the same thing, and again this is not in-your-face public hatred like what Trump and his supporters are being subjected to. Sorry, you've got the context wrong and you've got the scale wrong, there is no comparison.

And you still haven't answered the question: What lies?

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Message 728 of 960 (812598)
06-17-2017 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 714 by Faith
06-17-2017 3:59 AM


Re: more of the same
Guess my posts should have a trigger warning for you snowflake right-wingistas, as you're rather foaming at the mouth now, Faith.

I said nothing about enslavement.

"Rounding up all undocumented immigrants and forcing them to do free labor" literally fits within the definition of slavery.

Which is something you think is worth considering as a "solution" to the undocumented "problem."

It would be like community service.

Or it might be like rounding up all undocumented immigrants and forcing them to do free labor.

Which is what I was referring to. And which is what I said. Idk, maybe work on verbal comprehension/reading skills.

Oh wow you even support Antifa as well as the violent BLM.

Right, because the Black Lives Matter movement is equivalent to institutionalized state power which allows thugs-with-badges to get away with murder, brutality, and intimidation.

You race baiting creep. This is about illegality and not racism.

Then why, exactly, is e.g. Ann Coulter -- prominent conservative author, speaker, etc. -- concerned with the "browning of America"? Why are metaphors referring to undocumented immigrants -- used in the media, by right-wing politicians, etc. -- rooted firmly in language which casts undocumented immigrants as animals, which is exactly how racists depicted and viewed African-Americans and blacks (see, e.g., Santa Ana, O., 1999. 'Like an animal I was treated': anti-immigrant metaphor in US public discourse. Discourse and Society)?

You know damn well that this is about anti-Latinx racism.

I'm sure most bank robbers and drug dealers and other thieves and some murderers too "only want to give their loved ones a better life" you miserable mentally deranged Marxist.

So now you're comparing a family fleeing northwards from gang violence or political oppression or civil war to bank robbers and murderers?

And you wonder why I have no problem with antifas.

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Faith
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Message 729 of 960 (812607)
06-18-2017 7:40 AM
Reply to: Message 728 by Genomicus
06-17-2017 9:00 PM


Re: more of the same
dup

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Faith
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Message 730 of 960 (812608)
06-18-2017 7:42 AM
Reply to: Message 728 by Genomicus
06-17-2017 9:00 PM


Re: more of the same
Yes I understand you must identify little old me as the Oppressor Class one way or another to justify the Marxist need for an Enemy, so you must interpret anything I say as desiring harm to people or an "under class." It really doesn't matter what I think about any of this, Marxism has it all worked out, and once the Class Warfare is in swing you'll be very happy to see me dead. I get it. Therefore it doesn't matter at all that I had no idea of anything remotely like slavery or the oppression of a diferent race in anything I said: You know, because Marxism says so, that of course I did.

abe: Today's Oppressor Class is what, the white race? anybody of European background? Anybody who is a legitimate American citizen? And the underclass is of course anybody with "brown skin" who are always innocent whether they're here illegally or not: because they are defined as the Underclass by Marxism they are victims of the Oppressor Class and it doesn't matter what degree of criminality they might exercise against that Oppressor Class, they are right and the OC deserves to be dead, right? Marx was SO cleverl.

Your mind is poisoned by your education and you haven't a clue.

Hey I'm ready for the gulag, come and get me.

Dear God I hate the Left.

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JonF
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Message 731 of 960 (812611)
06-18-2017 8:46 AM
Reply to: Message 727 by Faith
06-17-2017 4:08 PM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
ugent may be a rock star but his politics aren't aired like the Leftist stars' are

You're sh****ng me! He's very vocal and widely quoted by right wing nutcases.

quote:
"I think that Barack Hussein Obama should be put in jail. It is clear that Barack Hussein Obama is a communist. Mao Tse Tung lives and his name is Barack Hussein Obama. This country should be ashamed. I wanna throw up"

About Hillary Clinton: "You probably can't use the term `toxic cunt' in your magazine, but that's what she is. Her very existence insults the spirit of individualism in this country. This bitch is nothing but a two-bit whore for Fidel Castro."

"Obama, he's a piece of shit, and I told him to suck on my machine gun. Let's hear it for him. And then I was in New York. I said, "Hey, Hillary, you might want to ride one of these into the sunset, you worthless bitch. Since I'm in California, how about [Senator] Barbara Boxer [D-CA], she might want to suck on my machine gun. And [Senator] Dianne Feinstein [D-CA], ride one of these you worthless whore. Any questions?"

Nugent compared Obama to a Nazi who kills his Jewish neighbors, stating the president is like "a German in 1938 pretending to respect the Jews and then going home and putting on his brown shirt and forcing his neighbors onto a train to be burned to death."


Jones has a lot more viewers than most of the MSM but he's nevertheless confined to public oblivion

No he's a right wing media star with Whiter House credentials.

In any case, you have to go LOOK for them, you will not see them all the time as you do the Leftists, on just any MSM outlet.

BS. They're both quoted in the media you listed above.

I'm sure Nugent's NRA call to shoot Harry Reid was a joke --it made me laugh anyway

Of course you did. You would think that's funny.

It wasn't a joke. See above.

not to mention all the other suggestions of murdering Trump that I keep hearing about.

Name some. (I've already condemned Gifford).

he calls for Obama and Clinton to be tried for treason and hung.

He calls for Obama and Hillary to be hanged. (Meat is hung, people are hanged. Just another example of his nastiness.) No mention of a trial. As is usual in all such pronouncements from the right wing. loonies.

And you still haven't answered the question: What lies?

Obama's a Muslim in league with / leading ISIS.
Obama's not a natural-born US citizen.
Obama's after your guns.
Obama's going to repeal the Constitution and Declaration of Independence and institute a Communnist government.

And my personal favorite; Jade Helm. Obama's going to take over all the Southwest states with the aid the Chinese army which is hidden in caves and tunnels under closed Walmarts in Texas. Governor Abbot activated the State Guard to prevent this.


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Faith
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Message 732 of 960 (812612)
06-18-2017 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 731 by JonF
06-18-2017 8:46 AM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
I never heard of Nugent until the last few days and it doesn't matter if RIGHTWING NUTCASES quote him, he's nevertheless exactly as I said, confined to the right wing and not one of the people who gets quoted by the MSM. Because he's right wing. And because the right wing is labeled nuitcases.

I quoted your own source about Obama and Hillary which says TRIED FOR TREASON AND HUNG. Sheesh.

abe3 LET ME TRY TO BE CLEARER IN THE TEETH OF THE LEFTIST SHREDDING MACHINE:

IF they are quoted it is only to vilify them and call them names. They do not get any kind of platform that is FAVORABLE to their views except their own platforms which are confined to their isolated spheres.

Too bad Nugent uses crude language, but of course the Left has to make an issue of such secondary things while covering up the same on their own side.

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ringo
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Message 733 of 960 (812621)
06-18-2017 2:24 PM
Reply to: Message 732 by Faith
06-18-2017 8:52 AM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
Faith writes:

Too bad Nugent uses crude language....


Wang Dang Sweet poontang. Politics makes strange bedfellows.
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JonF
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Message 734 of 960 (812661)
06-19-2017 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 732 by Faith
06-18-2017 8:52 AM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
I never heard of Nugent until the last few days and it doesn't matter if RIGHTWING NUTCASES quote him, he's nevertheless exactly as I said, confined to the right wing and not one of the people who gets quoted by the MSM. Because he's right wing. And because the right wing is labeled nuitcases

The reason i know about him is that he, and Alex Jones, are often quoted in the MSM.

http://www.nytimes.com/...ent-cranks-up-the-controversy.html
http://www.nytimes.com/.../arts/20050927_NUGENT_AUDIOSS.html
http://www.nytimes.com/...e-except-maybe-for-ted-nugent.html

I quoted your own source about Obama and Hillary which says TRIED FOR TREASON AND HUNG. Sheesh

whoops, you're right. sorry.

Wh
What about 'suck on my machine gun'? Would that be before or after a trial?

Too bad Nugent uses crude language, but of course the Left has to make an issue of such secondary things while covering up the same on their own side.

You still have refused to provide any examples. Or any condemnation of Nugent and Jones for the content of their messages.

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Faith
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Message 735 of 960 (812663)
06-19-2017 9:01 AM
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06-19-2017 8:57 AM


Re: Nugent tells it like it is
The MSM shreds them, why would I want to contribute to that?
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