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Message 46 of 79 (842887)
11-09-2018 4:45 PM
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11-09-2018 4:44 PM


Re: This has got to be major fraud
Oh right. Ha ha.

Check out Rick Scott, Florida governor just elected, on his suit against Broward and Palm Beach Counties for election fraud.

Republicans are also claiming fraud in Arizona. And of course the Leftists are rationalizing it away.

Funny it's always the Left doing the fraud. No moral integrity.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 47 of 79 (842890)
11-09-2018 4:56 PM
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Re: This has got to be major fraud
If the recounts weren’t ordered by the Florida Secretary of State, who did order them ? Let’s have some facts, Faith. Not innuendo based on your (often inaccurate) personal impressions of highly biased sources.
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Message 48 of 79 (842899)
11-09-2018 5:05 PM
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11-09-2018 4:45 PM


Re: This has got to be major fraud
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Funny it's always the Left doing the fraud. No moral integrity.

By which you mean that gerrymandering and voter suppression - especially on racial lines - is all fine.

But that is because you have no moral integrity.


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Faith
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Message 49 of 79 (842901)
11-09-2018 5:08 PM
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11-09-2018 5:05 PM


Re: This has got to be major fraud
It's always been the Democrats who have been the racists and done all the shenanigans to disenfranchise blacks. Yep, no moral integrity on that side of the fence.
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Message 50 of 79 (842903)
11-09-2018 5:10 PM
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11-09-2018 5:08 PM


Re: This has got to be major fraud
Faith writes:

It's always been the Democrats who have been the racists and done all the shenanigans to disenfranchise blacks. Yep, no moral integrity on that side of the fence.

Can you give an example from the last 30 years?


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Message 51 of 79 (842905)
11-09-2018 5:13 PM
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11-09-2018 4:45 PM


Re: This has got to be major fraud
Faith writes:

Oh right. Ha ha.
Check out Rick Scott, Florida governor just elected, on his suit against Broward and Palm Beach Counties for election fraud.

Republicans are also claiming fraud in Arizona. And of course the Leftists are rationalizing it away.

Funny it's always the Left doing the fraud. No moral integrity.

Accusations are not convictions. If Scott is not able to produce evidence to back his accusations, will you retract your own claims?


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PaulK
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Message 52 of 79 (842907)
11-09-2018 5:18 PM
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11-09-2018 5:08 PM


Re: This has got to be major fraud
quote:

It's always been the Democrats who have been the racists and done all the shenanigans to disenfranchise blacks. Yep, no moral integrity on that side of the fence.

Thanks for demonstrating your lack of moral integrity again.

Eg in Georgia


On Kemp’s watch, Georgia has lost almost a tenth of its polling places since 2012, with the majority of closings occurring in poor counties and those with significant African American populations

The Atlantic

Is Kemp suddenly a Democrat?


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 53 of 79 (842913)
11-09-2018 9:39 PM


Calm down on Arizona & Maricopa County Faith.
Provisional ballots are common out there.

And they can be mailed in (LONG before the elctions) or hand delivered as late as the day of the elction.

The Arizona experts say that the mailed provisional ballots will be counted first, and they are expected to be Pro Sinema.

The LATE hand delivered provisional ballots, numbering 200,000, will be counted last, and they are expected to favor McSalley.

Arizona has provisional ballots across the entire state.


    
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Message 54 of 79 (842914)
11-09-2018 11:06 PM
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11-09-2018 4:37 PM


The Republicans want longer vote-counting time tables in Arizona.
https://www.azcentral.com/...y-widens-senate-race/1944844002

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Published 5:21 p.m. MT Nov. 9, 2018 | Updated 7:22 p.m. MT Nov. 9, 2018

Republican Martha McSally’s path to the U.S. Senate narrowed with Friday’s latest tabulation of votes from Tuesday’s election, which showed Democrat Kyrsten Sinema widening her lead in a race that remains in a tortuous limbo.

McSally's path to victory requires picking up votes in rural counties where she did well, limiting losses in Democratic strongholds such as Pima and Coconino counties, and then winning Maricopa County by a large margin. About 266,000 Maricopa County ballots remain uncounted.

Statewide, about 360,000 ballots remain uncounted.

Sinema's lead over McSally grew to about 20,000 votes as of 7 p.m. Friday.

Sinema is winning the Republican-leaning Maricopa County. When ballots have been tabulated, McSally has not won any batch of votes in Maricopa County, including early votes posted on Election Day, votes cast at polling places on Election Day, and early ballots counted since.

It is unclear if McSally will be able to limit her losses in a meaningful way, even with the legal settlement struck Friday over the handling of certain ballots by county elections officials.

That settlement could favor McSally by helping her pick up votes in counties outside of the more populated areas of the state.

"Equal protection under the law is a fundamental constitutional right for American voters," McSally said in a written statement released Friday night. "As a combat veteran, I fought to protect it. And today, we won an important battle to preserve that right for rural voters in Arizona. I will continue fighting until every ballot is counted."

Sinema, a three-term congresswoman who represents the Phoenix-area’s 9th Congressional District, ran a campaign built around the narrative that she is an “independent” voice for Arizona and distanced herself from other Democrats. That message has likely helped her in Maricopa County, particularly in the suburbs and among moderate women.

McSally, who has represented the Tucson-based 2nd Congressional District for two terms, positioned herself as loyal to President Donald Trump and the Republican agenda, from the health-care overhaul to border security. That message likely solidified her hold on rural Arizona.

“All you can do is wait,” said Larry Sabato, the political scientist who directs the University of Virginia's Center for Politics. “You certainly don’t want to concede until it’s obvious to you and your campaign that you’ve lost. Too many people have put in too much time, resources and money (in the race), so you’ve got to see it through.”

McSally's fortunes turned after Election Day. She appeared to have the advantage on Tuesday evening, following weeks of barnstorming the state with Republicans of all stripes who vouched for her personal and political credentials.

That advantage continued to melt away on Friday, the second consecutive day of unfavorable early-ballot results from the reporting of tallied votes by the Secretary of State's Office and county recorders.

Andrew Piatt, Sinema's campaign manager, said the data shows Sinema will win the race.

“Once again, today’s data confirmed our expectation that as the ballots are counted, Kyrsten will steadily build her advantage and be elected to the U.S. Senate," he said in a statement. "Nine counties reported today — five of which are counties where McSally is favored and where she needed to perform very well in order to regain even a narrow path to victory. That didn’t happen."

It appears unlikely — but not impossible — that McSally will significantly narrow the gap based on the early ballots that were mailed in before Election Day.


Sinema has 50.6% of the vote (595,444 votes) in right-wing Maricopa County while McSally has 47.2% of the vote (556,076 votes) there. The Green (Angela Green) has 2.2% (25,371 votes).

Sinema leads statewide 991,433 to 971,331 and that is still quite short of the 2.4 million votes cast. The NBC site says 84% is the counted vote so far.

How ironic it is that the brilliant pro-open borders lawyer/legislator, who combated the right wing Sheriff Arpaio last decade, could win on the strength of the voters in his (once and still?) anti-immigration county.

Sinema first ran for national office in the new 2012 Maricopa County district, and it was a Democratic district from the get go (it ended up voting 54% to 38% for Obama over Romney while Romney won Arizona by 9.2%, and Maricopa County by even more), but Sinema was so controversial that she needed a long recount to narrowly win her district.

Now she somehow has become popular with the county!

McSalley was the toughest opponent, by far, for Sinema.

(It is not over, and Sinema could very well loose)

What a story.

Edited by LamarkNewAge, : No reason given.


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LamarkNewAge
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Message 55 of 79 (842915)
11-09-2018 11:45 PM


McSally is still in the game: drop off provisional ballots coming NEXT.
https://www.politico.com/...sally-arizona-senate-race-982562

quote:

ELECTIONS

Sinema expands lead in Arizona Senate race
The Democratic candidate increases her lead over GOP's McSally as election authorities continued to count ballots in the uncalled race.

By JAMES ARKIN and ALEX ISENSTADT 11/09/2018 07:16 PM EST Updated 11/09/2018 09:21 PM EST

Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema expanded her lead to 20,203 votes over GOP Rep. Martha McSally Friday evening as Arizona election authorities continued to count ballots in the state’s uncalled Senate race.

Sinema’s lead amounts to just over 1 percentage point after more than 2 million votes have been counted. Sinema was up by 9,610 votes earlier in the day before the counties processed approximately 80,000 additional votes Friday -- but slightly more than 350,000 ballots have yet to be counted across the state.

Republicans and Democrats had been expecting the ballot releases Thursday and Friday to benefit Sinema and expand her lead, as they were mailed ballots from the final days of early voting, which favored the Democrat. Republicans believe the gap will narrow in the coming days, however, because as many as 200,000 of the remaining ballots were dropped off at polling places on Election Day, and those ballots are expected to benefit McSally.

Most of the remaining vote is from Maricopa County, Arizona’s largest county that includes Phoenix. Arizona election authorities will continue to release a similar number of ballots every day over the weekend and into next week until the vote is fully counted. It’s unclear when the race will be called.


There is alot more in the article.

I suppose Republicans, being older and retired, will be more likely to be off of work on election day.

I don't know if that is the reason for the expected pro GOP vote total bump via drop off votes.

I do know that the older white voters (who, in large numbers, moved to Arizona later in life) are fairly right wing, while the native (meaning they were born in Arizona, I'm not talking about Native American Indians) Arizonans , who grew up with Hispanics, aren't so anti immigrant. Many feel the OLD Republican inplants are hurting the party in the long run.

Arizona is flipping blue, though in slow motion. The constant flow of right wing retirees keeps holding back the Democratic trend. Hispanics don't turn out either, so that helps the Republicans.

One can easily see the reaction against right wing immigration policy. Hillary Clinton only lost to Trump by 3.5% and McSally was more moderate on immigration in her Tucson district(plus the district was strethcing all the way to the border).


    
Faith
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Message 56 of 79 (842937)
11-10-2018 1:51 PM
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11-09-2018 5:18 PM


Re: This has got to be major fraud
I should have had more sense than to respond to you. Fine, the Republicans aren't squeaky clean either, so what, the topic here is stealing this current election, and it's the Left that is known for doing that and that is certainly a huge failure of moral integrity.

There is certainly a major problem in Florida since the supervisor has refused to follow the laws, not reporting within the time period required by law on early vote and absentee ballots. They are to be counted within the first hour after the polls close and the number reported. by law ballots that come in after that time are not to be accepted. Overseas ballots are to be reported every forty five minutes of receipt. That hasn't been done either. These laws are in place for the very purpose of preventing the multiplation of ballots after the allotted time, so the fact that they haven't been obeyed is highly suggestive of fraud. It's certainly opportunity for fraud. But it's a violation of the law in any case at the very least, which ought to get the bums in the election counting office thrown out.

This is the main objection by those who are challenging the election counts in Broward and Palm Beach counties in Florida. It is both Rick Scott and Marco Rubio who are calling them out on this. Even if they have a recount after all these shenanigans it will only count all the bogus ballots they've pulled out of thin air as well as the legitimate ones so the recount isn't going to solve the problem.

Trump mentioned the same problem in Arizona this morning and of course the Left is all over him for it.

Hey lefties. How come this is being discussed by ALL the conservative talk show people and you guys don't seem to know much about it and then don't seem to care? I don't very often listen to political talk but this election got me into it. If I keep the radio on all day long and switch between two major conservative radio stations, I can hear something like a dozen different commentators on this subject. I hear bits of Limbaugh, more of Michael Savage, a lot of Mark Levin because I particularly like him, some Ben Shapiro, some Laura Ingraham, Hannity when I can find him, and half a dozen lesser known guys who are also good. WHERE ARE THE LEFTIES? Are you in favor of elewction fraud when it's on the Left? I'm sure some of you aren't so why aren't you objecting? Why aren't more objecting to the behavior of Jim Acosta? Do you even know about the Antifa attack on Tucker Carlson's house? Why not? WAKE UP.

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Message 57 of 79 (842939)
11-10-2018 2:09 PM
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11-10-2018 1:51 PM


Re: This has got to be major fraud
quote:

I should have had more sense than to respond to you. Fine, the Republicans aren't squeaky clean either, so what, the topic here is stealing this current election, and it's the Left that is known for doing that and that is certainly a huge failure of moral integrity.

Don’t forget that your response was a complete fabrication. That was your real mistake. Especially when you are accusing others of lacking moral integrity.

However the fact is that we see a lot of accusations of fraud directed at the Left but very little evidence. We have yet to see the evidence that was supposed to be produced regarding fraudulent voting in the Presidential election. Meanwhile we see a lot more coming from the Right - often slapped down by the courts. (Kemp in particular is a real piece of work - a poster child for lacking moral integrity).

Whatever is going on - and by accounts I have read the recorded votes in the Senatorial race were well below what they would be expected to be given the counts in other races - it’s for the courts to sort out. If there have been violations of the rules then the courts can deal with those, too. But I am not going to assume fraud just because incredibly partisan people say so.

There is, of course, plenty of discussion in the US press. If you’ve missed everything but the attack dogs of the Right then maybe you haven’t been looking.


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Message 58 of 79 (842950)
11-10-2018 10:04 PM


Sinema up 1,048,655 (48.5%) to 1,018,823 (47.1%) with "88%" of vote in.
https://www.politico.com/...arizona-senate-vote-count-982945

quote:

Sinema lead grows again as Arizona Senate vote count continues
By SCOTT BLAND 11/10/2018 07:15 PM EST

Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema has expanded her lead over GOP Rep. Martha McSally in Arizona after another day of ballot-counting in the state’s Senate race.

Sinema stretched her lead to 28,688 votes on Saturday evening as officials in the two most-populous counties, Maricopa and Pima, counted tens of thousands more absentee ballots, though that margin could shrink slightly if smaller counties where McSally has an edge report new totals later Saturday evening. Sinema now has 49.5 percent of the vote to McSally’s 48.2 percent, with hundreds of thousands more votes still left to count.

Sinema and McSally are vying to succeed Republican Sen. Jeff Flake, who announced last year that he would retire instead of running for reelection after clashing with President Donald Trump. The state has not elected a Democratic senator since 1988, but the campaign was hard-fought, attracting more than $50 million in outside spending from the two parties and outside groups. The acrimony has continued during the protracted vote count, with Republican officials in Washington urging McSally's campaign to suggest the count is somehow improper.

Arizona is one of two Senate races still uncalled after Election Day. The GOP has a slim lead in the Florida Senate race, which is going to a recount.

Republicans currently have a 51-49 majority in the Senate, but they have made a net gain of two seats so far in the midterm election, flipping Indiana, Missouri and North Dakota while Democrats have flipped Nevada.


And the twlight zone version of Maricopa County in our (alternate?) Universe continues; Sinema is winning by 30,000 votes due to a 44,161 vote lead in the big right wing county.

quote:

Maricopa County

Kyrsten Sinema 50.7% 630,974
Martha McSally 47.1% 586,823
Angela Green 2.2% 26,970


Sinema is unique.

The Maricopa voters seem to admire her for her spirited ("radical") positions as a state legislature, and the admiration is compounded by her very bi-partisan voting record.

She is seen as genuine on the one hand, and reasonable on the other.

Sinema is for real and realistic.


    
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Message 59 of 79 (843031)
11-11-2018 10:25 PM


Sinema up 1,071,947 (48.6%) to 1,039,778 (47.1%) with "90%" of vote in.
Here are the most recent news stories.

Notice the Washington Post article from hours ago.

On the election "fraud" hysteria.

A GOP aid is really fuming at those, in his party, spreading misinformation via propaganda which describes the race as sussposedly being shrouded in fraud (Democrats have been accused of fraud).

quote:

Arizona Senate race: Sinema's lead grows as some GOP officials ...
https://www.cnn.com/...a-senate-sinema-mcsally.../index.html
3 hours ago - Democratic Rep. Kyrsten Sinema's lead over Republican Rep. Martha McSally in Arizona's Senate race grew Sunday as some GOP figures ...

Sinema continues to expand lead in Arizona Senate race - POLITICO
https://www.politico.com/...senate-race-mcsally-sinema-98348...
3 hours ago - The race was one of the most hotly contested of the cycle, with more than $50 million spent between the two parties and outside groups. The Arizona race is one of three Senate races that remains uncalled: The Florida race is heading to a recount and the Mississippi race will be a late-November runoff.

Sinema widens lead on McSally in Arizona Senate race as vote ...
https://www.foxnews.com/...sally-in-arizona-senate-race-as-v...
2 hours ago - Republican Martha McSally, left, and Democrat Kyrsten Sinema. Democratic candidate Kyrsten Sinema increased her advantage over Republican challenger Martha McSally in the Arizona U.S. Senate to more than 32,000 votes Sunday as the state's gradual count continued. ... In Maricopa County ...

Sinema expands lead in nail-biter Arizona Senate race | TheHill
https://thehill.com/...nds-lead-in-nail-biter-arizona-senate-...
3 hours ago - Martha McSally (R-Ariz.) in Arizona's too-close-to-call Senate race, after more ballots from the state's largest county were released Sunday night.

Arizona Senate Election Results: Martha McSally vs. Kyrsten Sinema ...
https://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/arizona-senate
56 mins ago - See full results and maps from the Arizona midterm elections.

Who Won That Arizona Senate Race? What Day Is It? - The New York ...
https://www.nytimes.com/...te-sinema-mcsally-green-party.htm...
1 day ago - PHOENIX — At first, the Republican looked as if she could win Arizona's Senate race by a razor-thin margin. Then the Green Party emerged as a potential spoiler, even though its candidate had dropped out of the race. Now the Democrat has taken the lead.

Two former McCain aides blast GOP for casting doubt on results of ...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/...../cd3558da-e603-11e8-bbdb-...
3 hours ago - are publicly criticizing the Republican Party for seeking to cast doubt on the results of the Senate race in Arizona, where Democrat Kyrsten ...

Report: Sinema is 32,000 Votes Ahead of McSally in Arizona Race
https://splinternews.com/...y-by-more-than-32-000-votes-in-c-...
2 hours ago - The numbers in a contentious Arizona Senate race widened today, with Democrat Kyrsten Sinema jumping ahead of Republican Martha ...

Sinema's lead in Arizona Senate race continues to grow (slightly ...
https://www.12news.com/...nate-race.../75-c226f2cd-75b4-4f7d...
7 hours ago - There are an estimated 262,000 uncounted ballots in Arizona five ... RELATED: 'Late earlies:' Why Arizona's Senate race is still not decided.

Democrat Kyrsten Sinema pulls far ahead in Arizona Senate race ...
www.fox32chicago.com/...ema-pulls-far-ahead-in-arizona-senat...
2 hours ago - PHOENIX, ARIZONA (AP) - Democrat Kyrsten Sinema continues to gain ground in Arizona's gradual Senate vote count.



    
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Message 60 of 79 (843035)
11-12-2018 12:59 AM


Some fixed links from last post (percentage is 49.6% to 48.1%)
https://www.cnn.com/...nate-sinema-mcsally-update/index.html

https://www.politico.com/...enate-race-mcsally-sinema-983481

https://www.foxnews.com/...e-race-as-vote-counting-continues

These links show that it is Republicans who are wanting the time to be taken to count every vote.

CNN has a hyper link leading to Arizona's Republican secretary of state, Michele Reagan, explaining why it takes so long to count votes in Arizona. 75% of the state's electorate votes by mail.

The Fox story has a link that covers the opposite situation in Florida (the Democrats want more time there).

https://www.foxnews.com/...-in-florida-governor-senate-races


    
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