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Pressie
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Message 46 of 73 (844763)
12-05-2018 4:44 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Porkncheese
12-05-2018 4:31 AM


Re: Survey
Hey, you haven't told us why you were telling untruths.

Here is one of the untruths you wrote:

Porkncheese writes:

ToE says that evolution occurs through natural selection acting on random genetic mutation of DNA. This calls for several failed mutations to occur before one is advantageous enough to persist.

That's not true.

Why are you so economical with the truth?


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Pressie
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Message 47 of 73 (844764)
12-05-2018 5:40 AM
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12-04-2018 2:27 PM


Re: Aaarrrrrrrrrruuuugggghhhh
I was also wondering whether porkcheese considers it a sin for people to be growing older and also being married while doing it? My thoughts when I read that were: WTF? WTFF?

Then I also wondered what that has to do with ToE?

Edited by Pressie, : No reason given.


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Message 48 of 73 (844765)
12-05-2018 5:50 AM


The topic
Fascinating as all this pop psychology and culture-warring is; I think that's what the Coffee House is meant to be for. Anyone have any thoughts on the formation of functional proteins?
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Pressie
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Message 49 of 73 (844766)
12-05-2018 5:51 AM
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12-04-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Aaarrrrrrrrrruuuugggghhhh
Bacause it's fun and unfortunately that troll does represent the normal "thinking" of millions of people.
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Pressie
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Message 50 of 73 (844767)
12-05-2018 5:58 AM
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12-05-2018 5:50 AM


Re: The topic
With Chemistry 3 officially behind my name I more-or-less know what proteins are and more-or-less know how proteins are formed. Basic chemistry.

What a "functional protein" is in a biological setting, I haven't got the foggiest.

Off to coffee house, I guess.

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Message 51 of 73 (844769)
12-05-2018 6:34 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Porkncheese
12-05-2018 4:31 AM


Re: Survey
P&C writes:

100 scientists were surveyed and asked
What are the chances of ToE being completely correct?
Answers varied from 0% to 100%

Varying levels of FAITH as some BELIEVE it more than others
Hardly a science when they can't even agree on it

One of the promises you made to us (and immediately broke) was that you'd present your arguments to the highest scientific standard. A very basic of this is to to properly reference your source.

So you'll see this a lot...

“Source please”


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Pressie
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Message 52 of 73 (844772)
12-05-2018 7:05 AM
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12-05-2018 6:34 AM


Re: Survey
I don't think that Porkncheese would be too appreciative when his/her sources are investigated for neutrality...

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Message 53 of 73 (844774)
12-05-2018 9:05 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Diomedes
12-04-2018 2:36 PM


Re: Aaarrrrrrrrrruuuugggghhhh
Diomedes writes:

Folks, why are you feeding this troll?

Shhhhhhh...
He hasn't yet figured out that we're the ones trolling him.

He's a classic case-study.
I thought they all went into hiding like flat-earthers.


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Message 54 of 73 (844783)
12-05-2018 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by JoeT
12-04-2018 4:30 PM


It is rare that following a recipe results in a new dish.
... While we took some science courses in school and my job does involve using scientific principals, engineering is not science. ...

I like to say that science is the art\process of understanding the diversity of the universe

Engineering is the art\process of making practical use of scientific knowledge.

Using science procedures to , for example, test samples of steel to ensure they are within design specification means using science procedures, but it doesn't make engineering A science.

Enjoy

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Message 55 of 73 (844791)
12-05-2018 11:28 AM
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12-04-2018 6:58 PM


Re: Aaarrrrrrrrrruuuugggghhhh
Had to look that one up! Urban Dictionary

And or those of you who want to ban anyone for unprofessionalism,(aka trolling) my philosophy is to let them rant for a limited time and see if they graduate to being another old EvC Member with a boring life! I keep an eye on them though. Porky was nice to me in early replies, so I cut him a bit of slack. He does seem to be mindlessly ranting lately, though.


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Taq
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Message 56 of 73 (844792)
12-05-2018 11:52 AM
Reply to: Message 36 by Porkncheese
12-04-2018 6:18 PM


Re: Atheism
Porkncheese writes:

Atheism. The mindless destruction of western civilization

Atheism has nothing to do with the theory of evolution.


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Message 57 of 73 (844793)
12-05-2018 11:58 AM
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12-05-2018 10:57 AM


Re: Hehehehe u guys are such jokers
I like to say that science is the art\process of understanding the diversity of the universe

Engineering is the art\process of making practical use of scientific knowledge.

Using science procedures to , for example, test samples of steel to ensure they are within design specification means using science procedures, but it doesn't make engineering A science.

I have a degree in electrical engineering. I am looking at my diploma right now; its hanging on my wall adjacent to my computer. It says the following:

Bachelor of Engineering Science
Electrical Engineering

I had always considered engineering a science. When I was studying at university, four year degrees often carried the qualifier 'BSc' (Bachelor of Science) qualifier while three year degrees were 'BA'. (Bachelor of Arts)

I admit the notion is a little confusing. Especially when one is familiar with the 'STEM' acronym: Science, Technology, Engineering, Math. Which would seem to demarcate engineering and math from science.

I think its likely the word 'science' is being somewhat overloaded, which is causing a bit of a problem. I often looked at engineering as a discipline which utilized various practical techniques to employ scientific concepts and principles. One could argue that makes it different. But being that one can get a PhD in engineering leads me to believe it technically could be a science per se.

Computer science is another example: would that really be a science per se? I guess it really comes down to definitions. At a its core definition Webster's says this:

quote:
Science
"the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."

I honestly could go either way on this one. But I may just have to defer to what my diploma says.


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Message 58 of 73 (844794)
12-05-2018 12:21 PM
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12-05-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Hehehehe u guys are such jokers
Computer science is another example: would that really be a science per se? I guess it really comes down to definitions.

Political science is the one that makes me roll my eyes.

From Wikipedia:

quote:
Political science is a social science which deals with systems of governance, and the analysis of political activities, political thoughts, and political behavior.[1] It deals extensively with the theory and practice of politics which is commonly thought of as determining of the distribution of power and resources. Political scientists "see themselves engaged in revealing the relationships underlying political events and conditions, and from these revelations they attempt to construct general principles about the way the world of politics works."

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 59 of 73 (844795)
12-05-2018 12:57 PM
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12-05-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Hehehehe u guys are such jokers
Diomedes writes:

I think its likely the word 'science' is being somewhat overloaded, which is causing a bit of a problem. I often looked at engineering as a discipline which utilized various practical techniques to employ scientific concepts and principles. One could argue that makes it different. But being that one can get a PhD in engineering leads me to believe it technically could be a science per se.

The distinction that most people are making is between theory development and applied theory. The experiments that Maxwell did to figure out how eletromagnetism works is theory development. Applying those principles to build a circuit is applied theory. Figuring out how the universe works is "science".

I would also agree that it can be an arbitrary distinction. There is a lot of theory development going on in materials science, for example. The main question to ask is if your work is giving us new knowledge about how the universe works, or are you using that knowledge to build new things.


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Message 60 of 73 (844804)
12-05-2018 2:24 PM
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12-04-2018 7:46 PM


Re: 20th century Atheists
The communists in your list had a religion: communism.

Hitler was not an atheist. He was Catholic and most of his followers were Christians. Furthermore, they were creationists. Therefore, by your reasoning all Christians are evil, especially creationists.


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