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Author Topic:   Darwin's Debt to Christianity
Percy
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Message 27 of 56 (471078)
06-14-2008 8:31 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by no1nose
06-13-2008 10:29 PM


no1nose writes:
"Not one member, all members"
Besides being a math free zone there seems to be no consensus as to exactly what Evolution is. Please excuse me for not conforming to your version. What difference would the detail make anyway?
UniversalRemonster provided you correct information. This is not an issue concerning which there is any disagreement within evolution. With few exceptions, all offspring differ from parents. So when you say this in Message 20:
no1nose in Message 20 writes:
For Christianity it is the creation of the new man. Darwin’s scenario begins with one member being different at birth.
"Darwin's scenario" has no beginning. Evolution is just an ongoing process of descent with modification and natural selection. Almost all descent involves modification. There was never a "one member being different at birth," because nearly all members are different at birth. It is the rare exception when this is not the case. We've even discovered that identical twins are not 100% genetically identical. You're comparing a single event in Christianity with all reproductive events over the entire history of life on this planet.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 29 of 56 (471117)
06-14-2008 4:04 PM
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06-14-2008 3:53 PM


no1nose writes:
The theory of evolution presents itself as complete...
This would be false. The theory of evolution, like all other theories, is tentative and open to change in light of new evidence or improved insight.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 34 of 56 (471170)
06-15-2008 9:50 AM
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06-15-2008 5:05 AM


Re: Incompleteness Thought Experiment.
no1nose writes:
But in the case of Evolution there are no mathematical measures inherit in its theory.
This would be false. It was the highly mathematical work of the population geneticists in the 20's and 30's that resulted in the modern synthesis of Darwinian evolution and genetics, and there are many other parts of evolution that are highly mathematical. For example, Mendel's studies of pea plants mathematically showed precisely what would happen when genes were combined in certain ways, and the science has grown immensely since Mendel's time.
This is where he [Darwin] turned to Christian beliefs.
This would be false. Already harboring sincere doubts about Christianity after his ideas concerning evolution took shape, the death of his daughter Annie in 1851 turned him toward agnosticism. In an 1887 letter he said, "an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind." (see the Wikipedia article on Charles Darwin)
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 36 of 56 (471239)
06-15-2008 5:01 PM
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06-15-2008 3:21 PM


Re: Incompleteness Thought Experiment.
no1nose writes:
Please show me some math in the Theory of Evoulation.
I already mentioned Mendel, and the Wikipedia article on Mendelian inheritance describes some of the simple mathematical ratios his research uncovered.
You can also check out Deriving genotypic and allelic frequencies where they show some very simple calculations of population genetics. For example, here's a simple calculation of allelic frequency:
f(M) = [(2 x 1787) + 3039]/12,258 = 0.5395
The Wikipedia article on the Hardy-Weinberg principle (an equilibrium theory of population genetics) shows just how complexly mathematical evolution can be, so you might want to check that out, too.
--Percy

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