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New Cat's Eye
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Message 44 of 80 (260644)
11-17-2005 4:34 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by cavediver
11-17-2005 5:25 AM


Cavediver,
First off I would like to thank you for putting time into writing these posts and offering information to others. I've read this whole thread (some messages multiple times) and feel that really am gaining knowledge.
Ok, I think this might be just a failure in the analogy but using the analogy of the globe for the universe. When I travel to the north pole and then look up, at what part of space-time am I looking, wrt the big bang? Or is this not a possible direction to 'look' towards?
If an electron is composed of photons and more electrons, then aren’t those more electrons also composed of photons and even more electrons, ad infinitum? Seems impossible to me. How can something be made of itself?
Is it nuclear force that holds the photons together? aren't they nuetral charged?
This message has been edited by Catholic Scientist, 11-17-2005 04:45 PM

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Message 46 of 80 (260677)
11-17-2005 6:16 PM
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11-17-2005 6:03 PM


Is it strong nuclear force that holds the photons (and other electron) together?
No, absolutely not.
I went back and edited this question after realizing what I had asked but it was after you started the reply, i guess. Thanks for being so quick. I took the "(and other electrons)" out because it just doesn't make sense ot have nuclear forces acting on electrons. The question was more about the photons because I thought they were chargeless.
I don't have time to really read your reply right now, I just wanted to clarify this part. I'll fire some more questions at you later tonight if I have time.
Thanks

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Message 48 of 80 (260687)
11-17-2005 7:09 PM
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11-17-2005 6:34 PM


If we try to zoom in on the electron, we no longer see "one" electron but rather a seething sea of virtual particles. If you sum over this observed volume, you will regain the charcteristics of the one electron (mass, charge, etc), but there is no one "object".
Is this applicable to valence electrons?
The above quote makes sense for covalent bonding, but for an ionic bond the electron seems to be too quantized to remain a wave.
what we deal with at this scale are individual fourier modes of the quantum field
So does each mode correlate to a different fermion?
For the electron, the field is fermionic and the individual modes obey a Grassmanian algebra.
And the projection of the fermionic field causes the interpretation of the electron to be an “object”?
No, absolutely not. It is the interaction of photons and electrons that give rise to what we call "force".
I’m confused by the part about the electron being made up of photons and electrons, I might be wrong in my understanding of the photon. I don’t think it is affected by electromagntism, I think that it is electromagnetism, hence the thought “are they affected by something like nuclear forces?”
Crap, I out of time again . possibly more questions to follow tonight . .or tomarrow.
Thanks

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