Mike, with all due respect I don't see the point you are making very clearly either. But I’ll make a stab at it.
I read you as making two points, which I will tackle in reverse order. The two points see to be denying that creationists think scientist have a religious bias (or anti-religious bias); and insistence that macroevolution cannot be shown by experiment.
On macroevolution, you say this:
mike the wiz writes:
Tell me - how can I do an experiment to show that macro-evolution happens? Because my family have been breeding horses for thousands of years in hope of breeding something other than a horse. Please tell us when we can test macro-evolution in our own homes.
Meanwhile, we trust people like Einstein because of his predictions - and if we want to see that the earth is spherical, then we can look at any snapshot from orbit. And if we want to test the big bang we can put on our tv, but I still await my own home test for evolution.
The comparison with the big bang is apt. It deals with events and conditions that occurred long ago, but which leave traces in the present that have been sufficient to show it occurred beyond any reasonable doubt. Details are still being worked out of course, but the fundamentals of expansion of space from conditions of enormous heat and density about 13 to 14 billion years ago is solid.
In the same way macroevolution deals with events and conditions that occurred long ago, but which leave traces in the present that have been sufficient to show it occurred beyond any reasonable doubt. Details are still being worked out of course, but the fundamentals of common descent and development of modern living forms from primitive forms a few billion years ago is solid.
As for the experiments; in your home you can look at CMBR radiation on your TV; it accounts for something from 1 to 10% of the snow on a TV tuned to a band without broadcasts. That would not be enough for a scientist, however. We only know this is CMBR because of far more subtle and careful experiments, by such things as the COBE and WMAP space observatories.
In the same way; in your own home you can identify nested patterns of similarity in your pets and other animals; and in a field trip you can find fossils for yourself. This would not be enough for a scientist. We only know this is due to diverging lineages from common ancestors because of far more subtle and careful experiments, including carefully measured characteristics of living and things and traces of extinct forms; and by such things as protein and genome sequencing, which have revealed a host of evidence that is explained only by cumulative variations in lineages diverging from common ancestors — macroevolution.
In both cases, you can learn about the evidence by reading. This brings up the point in the OP, about trust. I believe a major reason for the trust we have in science is that it is a community exercise. We don’t have nearly the trust in individuals as we do in conclusions that are supported by large numbers of independent investigators; and when effectively all but a few mavericks are content with a scientific model, we have very good reason to trust it. It is still not the same as an absolute trust in scripture (for example) because we expect new information and new revisions; but the fundamentals become pretty secure.
We also trust the critical review process in science to weed out bad ideas, because we’ve seen it work in history. We don’t see the same thing in creationist work. It is not homogenous; and though different creationists can identify errors in one another’s work, the errors don’t die out in the same way; but persist as two sets of creationists calling one another heretics or compromisers or whatever.
We’ve discussed the evidence for macroevolution here a number of times; you seem to think it is weak, and I think it is very strong indeed. I’m relaxed about that. I note that the scientific community is overwhelmingly agreed with my perspective on this; and that is certainly naked appeal to authority. But the basis for that appeal is, I consider, very strong. I don’t stop at merely trusting the majority; I can read more about the scientific consensus and the evidence that scientists find persuasive, and track what aspects are well supported and what are more speculative.
It is also significant that the support for macroevolution cuts right across religious and cultural boundaries. Many scientists are Christians; including some of the really outstanding top rank evolutionary biologists and theorists. That also tends to undermine the claim that evolution is based more on philosophy than evidence.
Which brings us to the second point I see you making:
mike the wiz writes:
Paul, no creationist said religious bias is a significant factor in this topic.
That is simply not true. It is commonly claimed by creationists (with varying degrees of vehemence and rationality) that evolution is driven by a desire to disprove the bible or by an effectively religious faith in an atheistic materialism.
The late lamented WillowTree was notorious for claiming that all evolutionists are atheists, even if they claim to be Christians; he is now busy preaching this message in other forums.
Jonathan Sarfati also considers religious bias to be a significant factor in evolution; he argues this is the dreadful article
Evolution & creation, science & religion, facts & bias.
On the other side of the coin, there are some creationists (Kurt Wise springs to mind) who agree that on the face of it, the evidence supports evolution and an old earth; but that he is a young earth creationist because he prefers to trust the bible. That is, he is saying that creationism is founded primarily on a religious trust in the bible; this is acknowledging freely his religious bias.
On the other hand, who cares? Bias is bound to be significant in individual perspectives on a matter. That is why trust is better not placed in individuals, but in mutually confirming arguments from many individuals. A few isolated individuals sometimes simply insist almost all evolutionists must have the same bias; but I tend to ignore that and go back to the arguments themselves, on their merits.
Cheers -- Sylas