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Message 170 of 304 (268849)
12-13-2005 3:07 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by joshua221
12-10-2005 7:26 PM


The direction and purpose of education
Ned Flanders, in opening post writes:
One of the things I consistently come across when I debate evolution with creationists is their consistent lack of knowledge in science. I'm not saying they lack higher education, but their lack of knowledge in science seems evident by the arguments they give against evolution.
At the risk of sounding biased, I would surmize that creationists (in general)are pretty narrow minded and are taught one belief paradigm>>>>wheras evolutionists have by and large been better educated and are able to incorporate a wide variety of belief paradigms which give them a much broader perspective. I am not picking on either side---I am only stating my opinion about the belief paradigms in general! I am a definite believer in God, Jesus, Spiritual realms, and the supernatural....yet I have no problem with evolutionary theories (and facts) at all!
PORTEUS writes:
As a creationist, I see science as a pursuit for understanding of what is on this observable earth. For me, Science comes after Faith in God. I am in advanced bio, chemistry, and will take physics, in H.S. I believe that I understand the mechanics of evolution, but they simply don't matter to me as much as the truth I have began to believe in and understand.
I am a definite "creationist" in the issue of where the universe came from. I am also a definite creationist in regards to God as monotheistic, personal, and able to transcend our collective human definitions of Him. (In other words, we humans did NOT make Him up!)
. I either evolved into my current mindset or I was foreknown by God to have taken this belief paradigm at this point in time... I believe that both are possible and certainly within the framework of Gods creative potential and power!
NosyNed brings up the statistics that show that higher educated people are more apt to believe in evolutionary theories. Personally, I have no problem with allowing the possibility of scientific theories room to advance human understanding and speculation on our origins as long as God is not shoved on the back burner in light of the very human and egotistical trait of dismissing Him!
I agree with you, PORTEUS...Science must come after Faith in God (and relationship with God) in order for life to have a divine purpose. Having kids who will some day explore the galaxies and raise the human species up as an evolved survivor in the cosmic dance is just not impressive enough to be my belief paradigm!
MangyTiger writes:
The idea that the electorate of the country with far and away the most powerful conventional and nuclear forces in the world thinks humans aren't developed from an earlier species gives me the heebie-jeebies.
It gives me the heebie jeebies when scientific agnostics dismiss our species warlike tendencies to an evolved survival trait and conclude that advanced "animals" will always find more efficient ways of killing each other!
Either way, humans need to get their act together! Either evolve into peaceful people if you believe that you can, or be as I am and trust and get to know the One who will set your mind free!

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Message 196 of 304 (269967)
12-16-2005 9:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Ned_Flanders
12-10-2005 5:31 PM


Just a okaly dokalin minute, now...
Ned_Flanders writes:
One of the things I consistently come across when I debate evolution with creationists is their consistent lack of knowledge in science. I'm not saying they lack higher education, but their lack of knowledge in science seems evident by the arguments they give against evolution.
1) Not ALL Creationists lack scientific knowledge.
2) I am a creationist in the sense that God created everything...including all concepts of definition. I do not care if evolution is a fact. It does not affect my belief.

Nature is an infinite sphere of which the center is everywhere and the circumference nowhere.
Pensées (1670)
We arrive at truth, not by reason only, but also by the heart.
Pensées (1670)
Heb 4:12-13-- For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
Holy Spirit--speaking through the Apostle Paul

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