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Message 961 of 1079 (842529)
11-02-2018 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 958 by RAZD
11-02-2018 7:55 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Naturally if trees grew fast they would also have matching patterns of rings in a given area. That tells us nothing of what nature existed.

As for Shaw's chronology you offered, that included king lists, face it, that is a joke. You can't justify dates by king lists. Period.

Trying to make tree ring patterns jive with king lists is a joke. The underlying premise for doing so is your same ol same ol same state past nature belief. Ho hum.
Religion.


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Message 962 of 1079 (842530)
11-02-2018 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 957 by edge
11-01-2018 9:35 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
You need not reject your beliefs. You simply need to admit they are beliefs. I have my own, thanks.
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Message 963 of 1079 (842531)
11-02-2018 2:15 PM
Reply to: Message 956 by edge
11-01-2018 9:34 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
The correlations lose meaning when they only correlate in your head. You have simply tried to offer your fantasy same state nature in the past belief as the reason we see patterns in nature now. Absurd.

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Message 964 of 1079 (842532)
11-02-2018 2:25 PM
Reply to: Message 960 by creation
11-02-2018 2:09 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:

In this nature we do not live 1000 years. Not the same. You may not declare trees never used to grow fast, to do so is out of ignorance and willful belief.

Yeah! And no one knows Christmas is in two months!


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Message 965 of 1079 (842533)
11-02-2018 2:40 PM
Reply to: Message 955 by Tanypteryx
11-01-2018 3:14 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Actually look at the graph.

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/...ord-of-god-team-1-728.jpg

If the nature change was in the days of Peleg, who was born they say 101 years after the flood, then no one lived more than a few hundred years plus after that.

Those few born before the change may have lived an longer after this time. If Shem lived, say about 500 years after the flood, that would be only about say, 395 years after the nature change. If the change happened in the days of Peleg and Peleg lived 239 years, then Shem only lived some 160 years over the new normal life spans. Presumably, being born in the former nature would have impacted his life span. But the graph is clear, and it is in the days of Peleg we get the leveling off and drop to today's levels.

You are in no position to call the recorded life spans fiction.

As for the migration of animals, if the land was together at that time, it is possible!


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Message 966 of 1079 (842534)
11-02-2018 3:11 PM
Reply to: Message 965 by creation
11-02-2018 2:40 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
If the nature change was in the days of Peleg, who was born they say 101 years after the flood, then no one lived more than a few hundred years plus after that.

If.

They say? Who are they?

Fiction.

Those few born before the change may have lived an longer after this time.

Do you ever read what you write?

If Shem lived, say about 500 years after the flood, that would be only about say, 395 years after the nature change. If the change happened in the days of Peleg and Peleg lived 239 years, then Shem only lived some 160 years over the new normal life spans. Presumably, being born in the former nature would have impacted his life span. But the graph is clear, and it is in the days of Peleg we get the leveling off and drop to today's levels.

More fiction. If. If.

You are in no position to call the recorded life spans fiction.

Actually I am in the perfect position to call it all fiction. You are the one who cannot prove it is not fiction.

As for the migration of animals, If the land was together at that time, it is possible!

More ifs, IF, IF, IF.

And more fiction.


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Message 967 of 1079 (842552)
11-02-2018 6:04 PM
Reply to: Message 966 by Tanypteryx
11-02-2018 3:11 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
What proof do you have Peleg was fiction?

Who says he was born a certain number of years after the flood? The chronologies of the bible, and scholars.

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Message 968 of 1079 (842556)
11-02-2018 6:23 PM
Reply to: Message 967 by creation
11-02-2018 6:04 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
What proof do you have Peleg was fiction?

You cannot prove it is not fiction.

Who says he was born a certain number of years after the flood? The chronologies of the bible, and scholars.

Fiction. Using the bible as evidence that the bible is not fiction is a classic case of circular reasoning.

Fictional characters in a fictional book are imaginary. Is that all you have?


What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 969 of 1079 (842558)
11-02-2018 6:30 PM
Reply to: Message 967 by creation
11-02-2018 6:04 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Who says he was born a certain number of years after the flood? The chronologies of the bible ...

Which are woefully inaccurate and fictional.

... and scholars.

But the "scholars" you would cite are all deeply religious weenies out to support a fiction at whatever cost to the truth.

No help there, creation.

Got any real reliable evidence from outside your biblical fictions that your boy Pegleg or his great great great grandad actually existed?


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Message 970 of 1079 (842568)
11-02-2018 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 962 by creation
11-02-2018 2:14 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
You need not reject your beliefs.

Your opinion.

Make a compelling argument.

You simply need to admit they are beliefs.

Supported conclusions.

I have my own, thanks.

Yes, you have unsupported beliefs, fantasies.
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Message 971 of 1079 (842569)
11-02-2018 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 963 by creation
11-02-2018 2:15 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
The correlations lose meaning when they only correlate in your head.

They correlate in reality.

Why is that?

You have simply tried to offer your fantasy same state nature in the past belief as the reason we see patterns in nature now.

I have offered an explanation. That is what science does.

You have no explanation.


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Message 972 of 1079 (842578)
11-03-2018 2:01 AM
Reply to: Message 961 by creation
11-02-2018 2:13 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Naturally if trees grew fast they would also have matching patterns of rings in a given area. ...

  1. they would much more likely have wider rings rather than multiple rings
  2. if they did have multiple rings, then they would not likely have seasonal sections of the rings
  3. if they did appear like annual rings, then there would need to be climate changes consistent with summer and winter periods occurring multiple times a day.

This is not recorded in any history or religious or any other document, which means you are making it up to bolster your belief.

That is not how science is done, this is a science thread and you need to support your position with objective empirical evidence.

As for Shaw's chronology you offered, that included king lists, face it, that is a joke. You can't justify dates by king lists. Period.

In other words you have no answer to how the Egyptian chronology was modified by a different nature yet still correlates with the tree rings for the same measured age of the artifacts.

That means you are unable to explain the correlations with a fantasy different nature.

Epic fail. You've joined the ranks of other creationists that have failed to explain the correlations.

This is a science thread, and denial of evidence is not a scientific argument.

Curiously I see you use your own version of a "kings list" in Message 965:

Actually look at the graph.

https://image.slidesharecdn.com/...ord-of-god-team-1-728.jpg

If the nature change was in the days of Peleg, who was born they say 101 years after the flood, then no one lived more than a few hundred years plus after that.

Here's the image:

The differences between this and the Egyptian Kings List are:

  1. We know which Egyptian kings actually lived,
  2. We know when they lived,
  3. We know how long these kings lived from documents in their tombs,
  4. There is no objective evidence that any person on your list actually lived
  5. There is no objective evidence for how long any of them purportedly lived
  6. Your list has no attachment to any actual point in time
  7. There is no archaeological evidence of any person older than 100 years.

Your king list is a made-up fantasy with no relation to reality, and you mock the Egyptian list that is based on actual objective empirical evidence.

Pathetic. You have no clue what real evidence involves.

Trying to make tree ring patterns jive with king lists is a joke. ...

All I have done is observe that the two systems correlate for the ages of the artifacts.

Dismissing the evidence as a joke is a sign of cognitive dissonance -- your inability or unwillingness to accept or deal with what the evidence shows -- AND it is not a refutation of the conclusion of old age, nor of the correlations.

Enjoy

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Message 973 of 1079 (842596)
11-03-2018 1:51 PM
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11-02-2018 8:26 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Saying the word reality does not help your religion.
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Message 974 of 1079 (842597)
11-03-2018 1:52 PM
Reply to: Message 969 by AZPaul3
11-02-2018 6:30 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Show some scholars of your own that say Noah never really lived then. Yur whining grows tiresome.
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Message 975 of 1079 (842598)
11-03-2018 1:53 PM
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11-02-2018 6:23 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Your criteria then is that one cannot prove something is fiction so it is false. OK.

That leaves your religion in the dumps.


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