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AZPaul3
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Message 976 of 1128 (842599)
11-03-2018 2:10 PM
Reply to: Message 974 by creation
11-03-2018 1:52 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Show some scholars of your own that say Noah never really lived then.

Reading comprehension and logic flow problems.

The question is whether YOU can produce ANY evidence outside your inaccurate and fantasy-based tome of myths that supports in any legitimate way the existence of either Pegleg or his supposed ancestor.

It is NOT incumbent upon anyone else to show the contrary.

These types of illogical responses are a hallmark of those who cannot support their untenable positions. No wonder you're losing the battle.


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Message 977 of 1128 (842600)
11-03-2018 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 972 by RAZD
11-03-2018 2:01 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
quote:
they would much more likely have wider rings rather than multiple rings
if they did have multiple rings, then they would not likely have seasonal sections of the rings

You are telling us how rings would have grown in a different state you know nothing about. So why would rings be wider in this different nature exactly??

quote:

if they did appear like annual rings, then there would need to be climate changes consistent with summer and winter periods occurring multiple times a day.

No problem. There were different parts of a day and week. Day and night...cool of the day...maybe times when the mist watered...etc.

quote:
This is not recorded in any history or religious or any other document, which means you are making it up to bolster your belief.

Wrong. No one says there was even any writing before Babel. Possibly men started to need to have written communication after that, and if we look at Egypt, we see they almost started by drawing pictures! Ha.

History is after the change.

The only history we have that is of merit for that time is God's account. Even so, there are some traces of a different world in very ancient history, for example they remember a time when life spans were long and spirits lived with men. (even in the king list they list spirit gods as the first kings)

In Sumerian lists, we see super long life spans also. (of course pagan records are not accurate but we can glean basic realities of life to some degree from them)

quote:

That is not how science is done, this is a science thread and you need to support your position with objective empirical evidence.

Science is not done by using your one belief and pasting it onto all things. There IS NO science that covers the former nature, science exists and deals oly with this one.
quote:

In other words you have no answer to how the Egyptian chronology was modified by a different nature yet still correlates with the tree rings for the same measured age of the artifacts.

The artifacts are from the same general time, so however trees grew then would leave a similar pattern. Obviously. Your religious imposition of what C14 would have meant, and rings meant etc is not science.

quote:

This is a science thread, and denial of evidence is not a scientific argument.

Nothing to deny. The rings are real. The C14 is real. Now your spirit kings in the list you offer as scientific evidence...well, is that really science? The meaning you try to fanatically attribute to the rings and carbon of the far past is totally belief based. Then you hypocritically accuse others of not doing science. Shame.

quote:

The differences between this and the Egyptian Kings List are:

We know which Egyptian kings actually lived,


Really? No difference of opinion on whether some lived, like the spirit kings? Let's remember that the king list was scrawled by some unknown person on the back of an actual document.

There is no way to check the unknown scrawler, he may have been a lunatic part time kitchen help for all we know. Then there is the missing fragments..etc etc etc. How dare you offer that in a science forum!

quote:

We know how long these kings lived from documents in their tombs,

Some..yes. Tell us where to find the tomb of a spirit king? How can you verify the many centuries the Sumerian list claimed for some kings?

"The papyrus was a tax roll, but on its back is written a list of rulers of Egypt. It includes the mythical kings such as gods, demi-gods, and spirits, as well as human kings. As the papyrus was reused for the tax roll, it shows the list was not of great formal importance to the writer..."

https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin_King_List

Apparently they don't even know who the first king was.

"Traditionally, Menes was considered the first king of Egypt, although who he was or even if he existed at all remains a matter of controversy. This paper takes a comprehensive look at three questions: (1) Given that Menes is not mentioned in a clearly royal context until the New Kingdom, did he really exist? (2) Why was Menes considered the first king of Egypt? (3) If Menes did exist, who was he: Narmer or Aha?"

https://www.narmer.org/menes

Then of course we have this..

"Despite attempts at reconstruction, approximately 50% of the papyrus remains missing. .."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turin_King_List

You make it sound like they have the times and tombs for each. Deceptive nonsense.

Here is an example from some columns

"Forth Column
(First Intermediate Period)
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
Nitiqrty (Neterikare / Queen Nitocris)
Neferka
Nefer
Ibi
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
Neferkare
Khety
Senenh
[?]
Mer
Shed
H
Fifth Column
(First Intermediate Middle Kingdom)
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
Wah (Montuhotep)
[?]
n
[?]
Nebhepetre (Montuhotep II)
Sankhkare (Montuhotep III)
pib (Amenemhet I)
ka (Senusret I)
[?]
[?]
[?]
[?]
Sixth Column
(Middle Kingdom)
Maakherure (Amenemhat IV)
Khutawyre (Wegaf)
Sekhemkake (Amenemhat V)
Amenemhatre (Amenemhat)
Sehotepibre
Iunfni
Sankhibre (Amenemhat VI)
Smenkare
Sehotepibre
Swadjkare
Nedjemibre
Sobek[hotep]re
m[?]nbw
Auibre
Sedjef[?]kare (Amenemhat (Amenemhat VII)
Amenemhat Sobekhotep
User[?]Re[?]djer
[?]kare
[?]re (intef IV)
[?]ibre Seth (Seth)
Sekhem[?]Re[?]Sobekhotep (Sobekhotep III)
Kha-[sekhem]-Re Nefer-hotep, 11 years
Hwt-Re-her-Hor-sa
Kha-nefer-Re Sobek-hotep"

The biggest item in there is question marks!!!! Ha. Some science.

quote:
... Egyptian list that is based on actual objective empirical evidence.

Hilarious.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 978 of 1128 (842604)
11-03-2018 2:58 PM
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11-03-2018 1:53 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Your criteria then is that one cannot prove something is fiction so it is false. OK.

Your comprehension is amazingly bad. If you cannot independently demonstrate that something is true, then it is fiction.

That leaves your religion in the dumps.

Good, that is where I threw it as soon as I was old enough to realize the bible is fiction.


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RAZD
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Message 979 of 1128 (842611)
11-03-2018 4:37 PM
Reply to: Message 977 by creation
11-03-2018 2:30 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
You are telling us how rings would have grown in a different state you know nothing about. So why would rings be wider in this different nature exactly??

Because (a) that is what happens with fast growing trees, and (b) because during fast growth fantasy time there would not be enough time for variations in climate to simulate annual rings.

No problem. There were different parts of a day and week. Day and night...cool of the day...maybe times when the mist watered...etc.

Not enough time. That only gets you 360 potential rings and you need thousands. That means several cycles per day, not one. You have other problems:

Day and night are not enough variation to produce simulated summer/winter growth patterns when rings cells normally take more than a day to grow.

Plus again there is no mention of hot days and freezing nights in your source material and trees today do not go into stasis during freezing nights (think maple syrup and what causes the sap to run).

Wrong. No one says there was even any writing before Babel. Possibly men started to need to have written communication after that, and if we look at Egypt, we see they almost started by drawing pictures! Ha.

There was no Babel. That's mythology not fact.

The only history we have that is of merit for that time is God's account. Even so, there are some traces of a different world in very ancient history, for example they remember a time when life spans were long and spirits lived with men. (even in the king list they list spirit gods as the first kings)

You have no evidence that your "God's account" is anything but myth. The Egyptians have tombs and artifacts, but you have squat.

In Sumerian lists, we see super long life spans also. (of course pagan records are not accurate but we can glean basic realities of life to some degree from them)

Myths are myths, not fact.

The artifacts are from the same general time, so however trees grew then would leave a similar pattern. Obviously. Your religious imposition of what C14 would have meant, and rings meant etc is not science.

That does not explain how the Egyptian chronology has the same dates for the artifacts as the tree rings when correlated by C14 content ... which you also have not explained.

Really? No difference of opinion on whether some lived, like the spirit kings? Let's remember that the king list was scrawled by some unknown person on the back of an actual document.

Not reading for comprehension are you? We know which Egyptian kings lived because of the artifacts and tombs. The spirit kings are beyond the end of the Shaw Chronology and your continued red herring use of them is laughable.

Some..yes. Tell us where to find the tomb of a spirit king? How can you verify the many centuries the Sumerian list claimed for some kings?

Curiously not the tombs that we are dealing with for the artifacts that were found, guess where ... in the tombs of the kings that actually lived maybe?

Apparently they don't even know who the first king was.

Which is irrelevant to the kings where the artifacts were found in their tombs. More red herring lack of ability to follow context.

The biggest item in there is question marks!!!! Ha. Some science.

The artifacts in question are from the Old Kingdom, the third dynasty, not any earlier than that. This makes your continued railing on about spirit kings pointless and irrelevant babble.

The tombs are objective empirical evidence as are the artifacts that were found in them. The point in time we are interested in is (from previously}:

"So we have another historical calibration date of 2660 BCE with 98% consilience between history and European oak chronology."

Try this instead: List of Pharaohs ... page down to the Old Kingdom, notice the dates on the left.

Notice that 2660 BCE is the Third Dynasty. The beginning of the documentation with actual ages according to the objective empirical evidence used by the Egyptologists in this chronology..

No question marks there.

Meanwhile ... your pseudo kings list is fantasy built on fantasy. I notice that you didn't mention it in your reply ... possibly because you know you have no objective empirical evidence to support it.

Your attempt to foist this fable table on us and expect it to be taken seriously when you deny and mock the well supported Egyptian chronology data shows you are not debating facts. It puts all your arguments in question when you prefer fantasy documents to factual ones.

Once again your argument fails to explain the correlation. Fantasy is not an explanation.

Enjoy

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edge
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Message 980 of 1128 (842619)
11-03-2018 10:54 PM
Reply to: Message 973 by creation
11-03-2018 1:51 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Saying the word reality does not help your religion.

It was not intended to help anything.

Sorry to confuse you with such big words.


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Message 981 of 1128 (842629)
11-04-2018 11:38 AM
Reply to: Message 980 by edge
11-03-2018 10:54 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Whatever the intention of misusing words, sorry, you may not claim reality.
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Message 982 of 1128 (842630)
11-04-2018 11:41 AM
Reply to: Message 978 by Tanypteryx
11-03-2018 2:58 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
quote:
If you cannot independently demonstrate that something is true, then it is fiction.
Until you demonstrate your claims ancient records are not true in any way, those claims remain fiction then.

Until you prove a same nature in the past that is used in all models of the past...they remain fiction.

Until you demonstrate that time and space in the far universe are the same, such claims are fiction.

Got it.

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Message 983 of 1128 (842631)
11-04-2018 11:48 AM
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11-04-2018 11:41 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Still ignoring the evidence we've posted. Sad.

BTW nobody's claiming ancient records are false in every way. Some of them are partly or completely true.

Edited by JonF, : No reason given.


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Message 984 of 1128 (842632)
11-04-2018 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 979 by RAZD
11-03-2018 4:37 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
We do not know what happened with fast growing trees. What would happen in this nature is not the issue. Try to comprehend this..until you first prove there was a same nature, you simply may not use one. Period.

Get over it.

Multiple rings in a day does leave plenty of time for lots of rings in the hundred plus years after the flood which still had the former nature.

Your claim there was no Babel is based on nothing. We are not here to indulge your strange dreams and preferences as to what happened in the past.

Scripture is pregnant with fulfilled prophesy and archaeological evidences, and changed actual lives..etc etc. Your wishful empty waving in the wind is of zero consequence.

If we look at the tree rings with the carbon also in them (which rings you cannot post a picture of for some reason even years after being asked) we see that C14 also existed in the time after the flood. What relationship in nature it existed in at that time of course is not known. What we see is your attempts to try and make all things conform only to the current nature...i.e. your religion and beliefs.

If your so called chronology includes the king lists, sorry, you cannot pick and chose only some parts of it that fit your belief system as convenient.

Looking at old Chinese records I notice some people claim that the record shows long lives also near the flood and post flood era. Those long lives (times kings ruled) taper off also as we get closer to the present.

The evidence mounts.

"Ruler Reign Length
Fuhi 115 years 2953-2838 B.C.
ShenNung 120 years 2838-2718 B.C.
Huang Ti 100 years 2698-2598 B.C.
Shao Hao 84 years 2598-2514 B.C.
Chuan Hsi 78 years 2514-2436 B.C.
Ti Kao 70 years 2436-2366 B.C.
Yao 102 years 2357-2255 B.C.
Shun 50 years 2255-2205 B.C."

http://s8int.com/phile/page44.html

As for the tombs you claim for all the kings...do we have tombs for all the question marks I posted?? Ha. What a joke.

As for your dates for the kings...religious drivel. So called dates based on...zzzzzz...radioactive dating. Ho hum. Remember, unless you first demonstrate there was a same nature you may not use one. Really.


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Tanypteryx
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Message 985 of 1128 (842639)
11-04-2018 12:26 PM
Reply to: Message 982 by creation
11-04-2018 11:41 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Until you demonstrate your claims ancient records are not true in any way, those claims remain fiction then.

I didn't claim that.

Until you prove a same nature in the past that is used in all models of the past...they remain fiction.

I don't need to bother proving or disproving an imaginary "nature" that you made up in your head. Scientists don't even know you exist, so they will continue to study and learn from their observations without ever noticing your imaginary "natures."

You will never have any influence on science.

that is used in all models of the past

I have no idea what this means.

Until you demonstrate that time and space in the far universe are the same, such claims are fiction.

Ok. I'm not claiming that.

I am claiming that we collect electromagnetic radiation when we point our instruments at the sky that seems to be emitted by the some of the same processes we can study on the earth.

I predict that all the astronomers, astrophysicists, and every other kind of scientist on this planet are going to ignore you and your silly ideas and will continue observing and trying to understand the Universe here on Earth and far away.

If your ideas had any merit they would have been discovered long ago. The point is, you will have to be a whole shitload better educated about what we do know if you ever hope for anyone to take you seriously.


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Message 986 of 1128 (842651)
11-04-2018 1:17 PM
Reply to: Message 960 by creation
11-02-2018 2:09 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
creation writes:

In this nature we do not live 1000 years.


There's no evidence that anybody ever did.

creation writes:

You may not declare trees never used to grow fast....


There is no evidence that they ever did.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Message 987 of 1128 (842652)
11-04-2018 1:25 PM
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11-04-2018 11:59 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
We do not know what happened with fast growing trees. What would happen in this nature is not the issue. Try to comprehend this..until you first prove there was a same nature, you simply may not use one. Period.

Get over it.

Multiple rings in a day does leave plenty of time for lots of rings in the hundred plus years after the flood which still had the former nature.

Your claim there was no Babel is based on nothing. We are not here to indulge your strange dreams and preferences as to what happened in the past.

Scripture is pregnant with fulfilled prophesy and archaeological evidences, and changed actual lives..etc etc. Your wishful empty waving in the wind is of zero consequence.

This is all garbage assertion after garbage assertion and not a shred of evidence to support it. Your fantasy multiple rings -- hundreds every day -- just doesn't work. Get over it. Try something new, because this is a big FAIL on your part:

  • it doesn't explain the tree rings with summer/winter seasonal portions of each ring (night/day is not enough) that nobody noticed in any documents or myths,
  • it doesn't help you explain the correlation with the Egyptian chronology,
  • it doesn't help you explain the C14 content in each ring differing from the ring before and after,
  • it doesn't help you explain the same C14 content in trees the other side of the earth from the Bristlecone pines - the oaks in Germany and Ireland - for the same age ring when you are mixing the air up every 4 minutes it takes you to grow enough rings, and
  • it doesn't help you explain the 11 year solar sun-spot cycle peaks in the C14 data.

... it is the little details that show your fantasy is pure made-up hokum without a shred of supporting evidence. Ignoring these details doesn't make them go away.

Scripture is pregnant with ...

... pure fantasy without a shred of empirical objective evidence to support it and that is why the bible/scripture is not considered evidence on science threads.

If we look at the tree rings with the carbon also in them (which rings you cannot post a picture of for some reason even years after being asked) ...

Message 900: Note that (WPN-114) was cut down in 1964 and had rings from that date back to 4,844 years ago, so your tree with a 4,500 year old ring can be seen on this stump:

The stump (lower left) and some remains of the
Prometheus tree (center), in the Wheeler Bristlecone Pine
Grove at Great Basin National Park near Baker, Nevada

So the answers to your questions are available with little effort, what it takes is the will to find them. And this irrelevant nit-picking diversion into minutia details that are unimportant to the issue of correlations fails to address the correlations or show that the data is incorrect.

Message 907: Again with the misunderstanding of the actual message. The Prometheus tree was cut down in 1964 and the earliest ring from that tree was 4,844 years ago, so the tree stump shows 4844 - (2018-1964) = 4,790 annual rings (ie - includes 4,500 years ago), but it doesn't show the complete age of the tree because the central portion had rotted away. That means the tree age given is a minimum age because we do not know how many of those center rings are missing. So only the known age is used.

This is only the case in this one →1← tree, while the dendrochronology uses many trees to cross-check and validate the ring counts, and there are four chronologies that come from different areas but agree on ring count ages.

This has been explained to you. Focusing on details like this (a) does not invalidate the tree ring age, (b) does not provide any evidence of a different "nature" in the past, and (c) does not explain the correlations. It's just wasted bandwidth.

Not only does this show the stump with 4,790 annual rings going from 1964 back to 4,844 years ago, but this is open to the public to go and photograph and touch and count the rings on their own.

So you have been answered. Your inability or unwillingness to understand this is not my problem.

... we see that C14 also existed in the time after the flood. What relationship in nature it existed in at that time of course is not known. What we see is your attempts to try and make all things conform only to the current nature...i.e. your religion and beliefs.

And this hand-waving explains nothing. It doesn't explain the variations recorded in the rings.

If your so called chronology includes the king lists, sorry, you cannot pick and chose only some parts of it that fit your belief system as convenient.

What is used is the section of the chronology with absolute ages based on consensus evaluation by Egytologist. The older portion of the list may contain real pharaoh data, but without absolute dates they can't be used on this thread.

This is similar to excluding the dead standing sentinels with over 7,000 annual rings - we don't have the absolute connection, so we can't use them for developing absolute chronologies.

Looking at old Chinese records I notice some people claim that the record shows long lives also near the flood and post flood era. Those long lives (times kings ruled) taper off also as we get closer to the present.

The evidence mounts.

"Ruler Reign Length
Fuhi 115 years 2953-2838 B.C.
ShenNung 120 years 2838-2718 B.C.
Huang Ti 100 years 2698-2598 B.C.
Shao Hao 84 years 2598-2514 B.C.
Chuan Hsi 78 years 2514-2436 B.C.
Ti Kao 70 years 2436-2366 B.C.
Yao 102 years 2357-2255 B.C.
Shun 50 years 2255-2205 B.C."

http://s8int.com/phile/page44.html

That doesn't look like a taper to me. I also note that the oldest is 120 years, an age which is possible today.

quote:
Oldest people

This is a list of tables of the oldest people in the world in ordinal ranks. To avoid including false or unconfirmed claims of extreme old age, names here are restricted to those people whose ages have been validated by an international body that specifically deals in longevity research, such as the Gerontology Research Group (GRG) or Guinness World Records (GWR), and others who have otherwise been reliably sourced.

According to this criterion, the longest human lifespan is that of Jeanne Calment of France (1875–1997), who lived to the age of 122 years, 164 days. She met Vincent van Gogh when she was 12 or 13.[1] She received news media attention in 1985, after turning 110. Subsequent investigation found documentation for Calment's age, beyond any reasonable question, in the records of her native city, Arles, France.[2] More evidence of Calment's lifespan has been produced than for any other supercentenarian, such that her case serves as an archetype in the methodology for verifying the ages of the world's oldest people.[3]

As women live longer than men on average, combined records for both sexes are predominated by women. The longest undisputed lifespan for a man is that of Jiroemon Kimura of Japan (1897–2013), who died at age 116 years, 54 days.

Since the death of 117-year-old Chiyo Miyako of Japan on 22 July 2018, 115-year-old Kane Tanaka, also of Japan, born 2 January 1903, is the oldest living person in the world whose age has been documented. Since the death of 113-year-old Francisco Núñez Olivera of Spain on 29 January 2018, 113-year-old Masazō Nonaka of Japan, born 25 July 1905, is the world's oldest verified living man.


There are several between 113 and 119 years of age at death. This is not extraordinary age.

What I don't see is anyone over 122 years, while your amusing pseudo kings list is fantasy built on fantasy and mentions many from 150 to over 400 with no evidence for them, supposedly in the same time period.

There are no dates on this purported chronology and no evidence to support them -- it is useless fantasy based on fantasy. Garbage in garbage out. Like all your assertions.

AND ... I also note that the Chinese chronicles do not mention a world wide flood, the earliest ruler in this list is from 2,953 BCE, or 4,970 years ago, well past your purported flood date. If you accept it as evidence for one thing you have to accept it as evidence for other things as well.

Fail.

As for the tombs you claim for all the kings...do we have tombs for all the question marks I posted?? Ha. What a joke.

Not what I said. What we have are some tombs, from them we know that the kings inside were real. Those include the ones in the absolute age section (Old Kingdom, 3rd Dynasty and later) that are used in the Egyptian Chronology. They also include ones earlier than the absolute age section, but they cannot be used as they are discontinuous from the absolute chronology. Your failure to comprehend what people are saying make your posts silly and ridiculous. Your repetition of assertions that have been shown to have serious problems, without showing why they are not problems (not by assertion, by demonstration with evidence), shows you have squat for an argument.

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Message 988 of 1128 (842660)
11-04-2018 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 984 by creation
11-04-2018 11:59 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
We do not know what happened with fast growing trees.

So, that means you can make up whatever you want, yes?

What would happen in this nature is not the issue.

True enough. What we actually know is not an issue. What you seem to think that you know is another story.

Try to comprehend this..until you first prove there was a same nature, you simply may not use one.

Try to comprehend this: Until we have evidence of an alternative nature, the onus is on you to show that there is one.

Period.

Your opinion.

Get over it.

Your demand.

Multiple rings in a day does leave plenty of time for lots of rings in the hundred plus years after the flood which still had the former nature.

What 'multiple rings in a day'? Please elaborate.

Your claim there was no Babel is based on nothing.

Once again, true enough. We see plenty of your babble right here on these pages.

We are not here to indulge your strange dreams and preferences as to what happened in the past.

But we are here, indulging in your strange dreams and preferences.
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Message 989 of 1128 (842661)
11-04-2018 2:07 PM
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11-04-2018 11:38 AM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
Whatever the intention of misusing words, sorry, you may not claim reality.

I can claim conformity with reality. A reality that actually exists.

You have nothing, but a deep state of denial and the notion that you can create your own reality.


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Message 990 of 1128 (842764)
11-08-2018 12:26 AM
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11-03-2018 2:10 PM


Re: Correlation validation by Egyptian Chronology
You have no tools or abilities or science to look into the time Noah lived. Science cannot comment either way.
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