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PaulK
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Message 106 of 111 (824648)
12-01-2017 3:29 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by kbertsche
12-01-2017 3:20 PM


Re: The Chicago Statement Revisited
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Sometimes it IS something that they make up.

Maybe some non-inerrantists get it wrong, sometimes. But I will bet you can come up with very few - if any - cases where a non-inerrantist arbitrarily invented a fact to contradict the Bible. On the other hand Ive seen more than one implausible story invented to reconcile the different accounts of Judas death.

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Scripture must be interpreted. It says nothing on its own, apart from interpretation. Often biblical critics interpret Scripture very naively and anachronistically

I am aware of some cases, but it is rare for them to be much worse than some inerrantists Ive run into on this forum. Im also aware that more than once youve baselessly accused people of making anachronistic readings.


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Message 107 of 111 (824653)
12-01-2017 4:18 PM
Reply to: Message 106 by PaulK
12-01-2017 3:29 PM


Re: The Chicago Statement Revisited
PaulK writes:


Im also aware that more than once youve baselessly accused people of making anachronistic readings.


I may not have been able to convince you that such allegations were true. And they may in fact have been false.

But this does not mean that they were BASELESS; I had good reasons for them.


"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." Albert Einstein

I am very astonished that the scientific picture of the real world around me is very deficient. It gives us a lot of factual information, puts all of our experience in a magnificently consistent order, but it is ghastly silent about all and sundry that is really near to our heart, that really matters to us. It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, God and eternity. Science sometimes pretends to answer questions in these domains, but the answers are very often so silly that we are not inclined to take them seriously. Erwin Schroedinger


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PaulK
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Message 108 of 111 (824654)
12-01-2017 4:23 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by kbertsche
12-01-2017 4:18 PM


Re: The Chicago Statement Revisited
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I may not have been able to convince you that such allegations were true. And they may in fact have been false.

As I remember it you did not offer anything that should convince anyone. Even you.

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But this does not mean that they were BASELESS; I had good reasons for them

Claiming that you have good reasons now - when you never provided any before is hardly convincing.


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Phat
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Message 109 of 111 (824760)
12-03-2017 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by New Cat's Eye
03-08-2007 4:39 PM


Re: Confused in California (and probably a little foolish).
NCE writes:

What if we set God's wisdom as omniscience? Then what do you think it means? What about for something very near but not quite omniscience (you know what I mean?)?

If the magnitude of the value of God's wisdom is infinite, then whatever value we are at is negligible (foolishness) compared to God's but that doesn't mean that we are wrong (false) in our wisdom.

Even if we don't set it at infinite, whatever value we assume god has, it is probably high enough to render ours as negligible. Which is what I think the point of the quote is. I don't think it means that our wisdom is false, do you? (realizing you think its meaningless).

This was in 2007. Has your perspective changed any on God and His wisdom since then?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Phat
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Message 110 of 111 (824967)
12-05-2017 5:27 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by jar
03-06-2007 10:51 AM


Re: You wicked, wicked monkey!
jar writes:

Paul is not speaking out against the wisdom of the world, rather he is pointing directly to that as all that is possible to know.

Paul is not addressing prophecy or scripture or revelation as the source of knowledge, but rather what we learn from the world around us, what has been made.

The only way to knowledge is through understanding of the world and universe we live in.

One thing I like about you...even though it frustrates me at times--is that you have a different view on Paul and on the Bible and on what it says than most of the classical apologists. I dont believe that they are all dishonest nor do I believe that you have a corner on the truth, but it is always good to look at a passage more than just one way.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
Paul was probably SO soaked in prayer nobody else has ever equaled him.~Faith :)

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Message 111 of 111 (824970)
12-05-2017 5:47 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Phat
12-05-2017 5:27 PM


Re: You wicked, wicked monkey!
Romans is a fairly long document that follows a classic question/response pattern. Unfortunately, too often only half the material gets emphasized. As a whole Romans also follows that pattern as well with the first part bringing up issues that then get answered in the second half. Picking pieces parts out of Romans can lead to bumper sticker theology.

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