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Author Topic:   A Miracle by Definition
ringo
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Message 10 of 38 (372420)
12-27-2006 11:16 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by anastasia
12-27-2006 10:27 AM


Re: Miracles
anastasia writes:
... there are many instances of natural happenings of unlikely odds or unknown origin which have greatly changed the course of a religion.
But the changes in the religion have more to do with the propaganda value of the event than with the event itself.
Take a fairly well-known miracle, the resurrection of Jesus. There is little or no evidence that it happened or that Jesus even existed. The course of the religion was influenced by people's belief in the event. Faith being the evidence of things not seen, it doesn't seem important for the miracle to be seen at all.
So another definition of "miracle" might be, "An event, real or imagined, in which people have faith."

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ringo
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Message 12 of 38 (372434)
12-27-2006 12:03 PM
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12-27-2006 11:41 AM


Re: Miracles
anastasia writes:
How would we account for human nature having faith in one thing and not another?
I don't think "human nature" is the right way of looking at it. I suspect that the people who believe in levitiating priests, etc. are a different subset from people who ask how a stage magician levitates.
Myself, if I saw a priest levitiating, my first question would be, "How does he do that?" and my second question would be, "What's the scam?" The possibility of a "miracle" wouldn't enter my head.

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Message 16 of 38 (372447)
12-27-2006 2:00 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by anastasia
12-27-2006 1:14 PM


Re: Miracles
anastasia writes:
And what if you found no evidence of scam or natural cause?
You're looking at it backwards.
If there is evidence of a scam, it's a scam. If there is evidence of some natural cause, it's natural. If there is no evidence of either, the cause is unknown.
My point was that one subset of humanity attributes the unknown to "supernatural" causes. It isn't fair to tar us all with the same brush by calling it "human nature".

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Message 20 of 38 (372475)
12-27-2006 5:16 PM
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12-27-2006 4:30 PM


Re: Miracles
anastasia writes:
It isn't fair to tar us all with the same brush by calling it "human nature".
I get what you are trying to say, but just what would you term this other 'nature'?
It is "human nature" to be defensive when we are attacked, or to eat too much when food is abundant.
It is not human nature to attribute all unexplained phenomena to "miracles". It is human nature to try to figure it out. If anything, those who jump to the "miracle" conclusion have a stunted curiosity.
So, a miracle could be dfined as, "a lazy explanation for an unexplained event."

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