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Andya Primanda
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Message 11 of 51 (15370)
08-13-2002 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 10 by John
08-13-2002 9:08 AM


My God, I think I must agree with John on that! Why do religious people do nice things? Because a reward awaits the good! because there is a hell if we do otherwise!
What is hell for, anyway?

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Andya Primanda
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Message 14 of 51 (15469)
08-15-2002 4:44 AM
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08-14-2002 7:11 AM


quote:
Originally posted by blitz77:

Hell is for those who reject Jesus, and by rejecting Jesus, God. But then of course, you'll probably argue, why would a loving God send people to hell? However, you are making the assumption that love allows the object of that love to do whatever he or she wants. However, this permissive kind of "love" isn't really love at all.

What about if I say that under my religious circumstances, you can go to Hell if you consider Jesus, a prophet of God, is God? God does not want equals, even from His messengers. Jesus himself would agree on that.
You need verses? Just ask.

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Andya Primanda
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Message 18 of 51 (15512)
08-16-2002 5:32 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by blitz77
08-15-2002 7:28 AM


Lets see...
Q19:19
Qala innama ana rasoolu rabbiki li-ahaba laki ghulaman zakiyyan.
YusufAli: He said: 'Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.
The verse is about God's announcement to Mary about the birth of Jesus, a holy son (ghulaman [son] zakiyyan [pure]).
How about this?
4:171
Ya ahla alkitabi la taghloo fee deenikum wala taqooloo AAala Allahi illa alhaqqa innama almaseehu AAeesa ibnu maryama rasoolu Allahi wakalimatuhu alqaha ila maryama waroohun minhu faaminoo biAllahi warusulihi wala taqooloo thalathatun intahoo khayran lakum innama Allahu ilahun wahidun subhanahu an yakoona lahu waladun lahu ma fee alssamawati wama fee al-ardi wakafa biAllahi wakeelan
YusufAli: O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not 'Trinity' : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
Clearly stated. Jesus was a prophet, and, not the Son of God.
9:30 (might be offensive)
Waqalati alyahoodu AAuzayrun ibnu Allahi waqalati alnnasara almaseehu ibnu Allahi thalika qawluhum bi-afwahihim yudahi-oona qawla allatheena kafaroo min qablu qatalahumu Allahu anna yu/fakoona.
YusufAli: The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!
5:171
Laqad kafara allatheena qaloo inna Allaha huwa almaseehu ibnu maryama waqala almaseehu ya banee isra-eela oAAbudoo Allaha rabbee warabbakum innahu man yushrik biAllahi faqad harrama Allahu AAalayhi aljannata wama/wahu alnnaru wama lilththalimeena min ansarin.
YusufAli: They do blaspheme who say: 'Allah is Christ the son of Mary.' But said Christ: 'O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.
Also check 5:17 and 5:72 which is all about the same.
I won't comment on that. Ask the Author Himself.
About Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
40:55
Faisbir inna waAAda Allahi haqqun waistaghfir lithanbika wasabbih bihamdi rabbika bialAAashiyyi waal-ibkari.
YusufAli: Patiently, then, persevere: for the Promise of Allah is true: and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and celebrate the Praises of thy Lord in the evening and in the morning.
The verse is not about Prophet Muhammad's sins (if he had any) but God's command to humans to ask for forgiveness.
47:19
FaiAAlam annahu la ilaha illa Allahu waistaghfir lithanbika walilmu/mineena waalmu/minati waAllahu yaAAlamu mutaqallabakum wamathwakum/
YusufAli: Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask forgiveness for thy fault, and for the men and women who believe: for Allah knows how ye move about and how ye dwell in your homes.
Same context and words, and note that the verse contains a message of Tauhid--Unity of God.
48:2
Liyaghfira laka Allahu ma taqaddama min thanbika wama taakhkhara wayutimma niAAmatahu AAalayka wayahdiyaka siratan mustaqeeman.
YusufAli: That Allah may forgive thee thy faults of the past and those to follow; fulfil His favour to thee; and guide thee on the Straight Way;
This verse was revealed after the takeover of Makkah, and it is also aimed at Muslims in general.
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Was Prophet Muhammad a sinner?

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