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Author Topic:   Spiritual vs. physical
blitz77
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Message 2 of 51 (15260)
08-12-2002 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by hiddenexit77
08-11-2002 3:14 PM


I suppose it is a matter of materialism/hedonism vs love/friendship. You would agree that love/friendship is more important than money or pleasure wouldn't you?

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blitz77
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Message 7 of 51 (15347)
08-13-2002 5:17 AM
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08-12-2002 9:12 PM


I suppose you could classify it according to depth-like joy is deeper than happiness. Pleasure is not the most important thing in love/friendship--however, it may result from it. Sensory pleasure is still materialistic-it is physical, not spiritual-you can be sad, in a bad situation, unhappy-but still have joy. If you are happy, you might not have joy.

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blitz77
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Message 8 of 51 (15348)
08-13-2002 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 6 by hiddenexit77
08-12-2002 9:28 PM


No--those are aesthetic, which is still physical.
I like dictionary.com's definitions--
Spiritual--adj.
1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See Synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Of or belonging to a church or religion; sacred.
5. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural.
Physical--adj.
1. Of or relating to the body as distinguished from the mind or spirit. See Synonyms at bodily.
2. Of or relating to material things: our physical environment.
3. Of or relating to matter and energy or the sciences dealing with them, especially physics.

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blitz77
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Message 9 of 51 (15349)
08-13-2002 5:21 AM
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08-12-2002 8:48 AM


So you are saying that the pleasure is more important than the relationship--however, you can buy pleasure but not love/friendship.
A spiritual person would be one who helps others. A hedonist / materialist does things just for themselves.

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blitz77
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Message 12 of 51 (15418)
08-14-2002 7:07 AM
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08-13-2002 9:08 AM


quote:
do not believe that true idealized altruism exists at all within humanity. So this distinction just tells me that the 'spiritual' are decieving themselves. Why help others? God's good graces? Karma? Escaping the cycle of rebirth? Avoiding Hell? Hopin' to visit some houri in the afterlife? Doesn't really sound all that selfless to me.
I'll just respond in the context of Christianity. We help others because we love God and God wants us to help each other--like Jesus told us to--"Love your neighbour as yourself" which comes out of "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind and all your soul."

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blitz77
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Message 13 of 51 (15419)
08-14-2002 7:11 AM
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08-13-2002 11:46 AM


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What is hell for, anyway?
Hell is for those who reject Jesus, and by rejecting Jesus, God. But then of course, you'll probably argue, why would a loving God send people to hell? However, you are making the assumption that love allows the object of that love to do whatever he or she wants. However, this permissive kind of "love" isn't really love at all.

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blitz77
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Message 16 of 51 (15477)
08-15-2002 7:28 AM
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08-15-2002 4:44 AM


Jesus is the only prophet in the Quran who does not confess his sins-in Sura 19:19 Jesus is called the holy son, without sin, faultless, pure and righteous by his own nature.
Unlike Jesus, Muhammed often confessed his sins-Suras 40:55; 47:19; 48:2. Prophet Muhammed confessed his own inability to know the end of his work or to know the fate of his followers.
Note this--
Sura 3:55 (Al-Imran) - "Allah said, Isa (Jesus), I am about to cause your term on earth to end and lift you up to Me. I shall take you away from those who disbelieve and exalt your followers above them till the Day of Resurrection."
Sura 3:45 (Al-Imran) - "The angels said to Mariam (Mary): 'Allah bids you rejoice in a Word from Him. His name is al-Masih (Messiah), Isa the son of Mariam. He shall be noble in this world and in the next, and shall be favored by Allah.'"
And the Quran says that he was resurrected-Also in Sura 19:33 (Mariam) Jesus is quoted as saying, "So peace be on me on the day I was born, and on the day I die; and may peace be upon me on the day when I shall be raised to life."
Sura 5:68 (Al-Maida) - "Say: 'People of the Book, you stand for nothing until you observe the Torah and the Gospel and that which is revealed to you from your Lord."

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