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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Well, obviously. What I meant was to question why belief is necessary for salvation, not for the religion itself. Is belief that your wife loves you necessary for your relationship to work?
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
what I'm asking is why a loving God would do this when all signs, to a mind like my own, seem to point to his nonexistence. To my mind, its exactly the opposite........so, maybe we're all just seeing what we want to see.......and, in your case, you WANT to disbelieve.
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
However (and here's the part that most people find doesn't make sense to them), I believe that there is an afterlife of some form (whether it be another world/reincarnation, I don't know), perhaps simply because I cannot imagine ceasing to exist. This statement points to my general feeling toward people who say they CAN'T believe.........I believe a person CAN believe anything he chooses to (as the above demonstrates).........
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Many different reasons.......and you guys seem happy as clams being atheists, and find it highly disturbing when your beliefs are questioned, so it's pretty obvious that a lot of people want to be atheists..........
"Atheists are just like theists; they find it highly disturbing when you try to weaken their faith." Myself, a couple minutes ago
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Check the signature.
"Atheists are just like theists; they find it highly disturbing when you try to weaken their faith." Myself, a couple minutes ago
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Not really - I simply cannot comprehend the idea of nonexistence. I don't believe this. There was a point in time, prior to a few years ago, that you DIDN'T exist.........so you know that it's possible for you to not exist. You can also get an idea of what non-existance is like every time you fall into dreamless sleep........
Seriously, it's not that I want to I'm pretty sure you directly stated the contrary in your first post.
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Isn't it the soul of self-aggrandizement, Jason, to quote yourself in your own signature? This is the second time I've been addressed as this "Jason" fellow.......it's quite perplexing. But, to answer your question, yes, it is.
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Hoo boy, anything but, as I've repeatedly stated for the past year. If I could be a theist, I'd be a lot happier, especially about misfortune. When I find an atheist or agnostic that's actually prayed and fasted and denied the flesh and still doesn't believe, THEN I'll believe in the atheist that wants to be a theist........but if you don't call to God, how do you expect him to answer you? If you don't seek, how can you find?
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Oh, and just so you know, "many different reasons" is not an answer to my question. Why don't you give me just one, for instance. Humanistic vanity. "Atheists are just like theists; they find it highly disturbing when you try to weaken their faith." Myself, a couple minutes ago
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Been there, done that. Of course, I predict you'll tell me I'm lying, or something, because "if you had done it right, God would have came to you" or whatever. Tell me about it.
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
"Vanity" to me is the arrogant presumption that God created an infinite universe simply as a playground for one insignificant species. But this is what many scientists believe......that there's a good probability that we're the only sentience in our universe.
Atheism is the opposite of vanity. Not true. You think you can destroy God with the logic of the human mind......that's vanity if I've ever heard it.
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RustyShackelford  Inactive Member |
Let me clarify - I'd like to think that there is an afterlife, but that is not what makes me believe in it. I'd like to believe in a God because that would mean there is an afterlife to look forward to, but I have yet to find one that makes sense to me and doesn't clash with evidence, other beliefs, or the morality I believe in, so I don't. Therefore, since I don't believe in a God, the most logical succession would be not to believe in an afterlife - so that would make things simpler, but I do not do so either. Sometimes things are complex. The two desires conflict each other So, you don't believe in any god, because no god conforms to your idealized concept of God........but you like the afterlife part, so you keep that. Sounds like believing waht you want to believe to me......
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