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Author Topic:   Why is belief necessary?
PaulK
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Message 49 of 94 (156103)
11-05-2004 2:58 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by Phat
11-05-2004 12:16 AM


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It may well be that religions are human ideas, but "Spirit" is not a human invention. Spirit is the internal life of God in a believer that proves He exists to us. By denying His existance, you place your own reasoning and rationality above His reality.
In other words God demands that we do not think for ourselves and instead unquestioningly beleive you. Isn't that convenient ?
Comments like this only reinforce the idea that the "need" for faith is in reality an attempt to coerce belief in a rationally indefensible proposition.

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PaulK
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Message 52 of 94 (156160)
11-05-2004 9:29 AM
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11-05-2004 8:16 AM


Re: Hpw do I convince a room of skeptics?
Well for a start, you would do a whole lot better if you didn't try to make it look as if it were somehow morally questionable to disagree with your beliefs.
Then you could try to come up with some good arguments instead of - I'm sorry to say - insulting sophistry.

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PaulK
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Message 55 of 94 (156221)
11-05-2004 1:40 PM
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11-05-2004 12:52 PM


Re: Hpw do I convince a room of skeptics?
I'm not suggesting that it is "insulting" to say that some things cannot be decided by reasoning and proof. Of course I also say that it is quite reasonable not to decide - or to make a provisional decision if reason and evidence can get us that far.
What I do find insulting is the misrepresentations, and the attempts to insinuate that it is morally wrong not to believe that God exists. As an attempt to convince it's not going to work. And it is doubly foolish to behave so badly on a thread where you are trying to offer your own "good" behaviour as evidence.

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