Christianity Is Broken, but Can Be Fixed

And I'd like to point out that that's not really an alternative; all you're saying is that Christ's message isn't very good at producing actual Christians, which doesn't seem to be fundamentally different than TL's point.

No, he's saying that the current state of Christianity is not successful at producing Christians who act like Christians. He asserts that this is because the church isn't getting the messageof Christ to Christians; you assert that they're not following the message because they aren't really Christians.That's a quibble about the details, but I don't see how you fundamentally disagree. Christian churches aren't turing out people who live like Christians. Isn't that what they're supposed to do? Why is it a matter of arm-twisting to you? If the way that you believe is so great, shouldn't it attract followers on its own merits? If the way that you believe has such a positive effect, shouldn't that be enough to attract followers who then reap those benefits for themselves?Why should the way of Christ be so opprobrious? Is that really what you believe? That Christ has called you to live in inequity and failure? In seperation instead of fellowship? Is that the example that Christ set for you?