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Author Topic:   Contradictions: Hint that Genesis 1 and 2 are Allegorical
jar
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Message 91 of 100 (811301)
06-06-2017 5:23 PM
Reply to: Message 90 by CRR
06-06-2017 5:17 PM


Re: No contradictions
CRR writes:

So you're suggesting that Moses knowingly put two contradictory accounts side by side? Or was he too stupid to notice? No, Moses would have understood these as two complementary versions, and they have been read that way for thousands of years. People thousands of years ago were just as intelligent as we are. Actually there was an article I saw several years ago suggesting people are becoming less intelligent.

What people are saying is that Moses, if Moses actually existed, had absolutely nothing to do with writting anything in Genesis.

And yes, a very valid issue I've often discussed is why so often two completely contradictory tales got included in the books that were accepted to become canonized as was done with Genesis 1 and Genesis 2&3 and even more with the two flood myths found in Genesis 6&7.


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Message 92 of 100 (811322)
06-07-2017 5:53 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by jar
06-06-2017 5:23 PM


Re: No contradictions
jar writes:

flood myths


Notice the plethora of very precise chronology in the following passage:

"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep burst forth, and the windows of the heavens were opened. And rain fell upon the earth for forty days and forty nights ... and the waters prevailed upon the earth for a hundred and fifty days ... At the end of a hundred and fifty days the waters had abated , and in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, the ark come to rest on the mountains of Ararat. And the waters continued to abate until the tenth month; in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, the tops of the mountains were seen ... In the six hundred and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month ... Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and behold the face of the ground was dry. In the second month, on the twenty-seventh day of the month, the earth was dry." Genesis 7:11- 8:5.

Does this read like a myth? I don't think so. It reads like real history.


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jar
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Message 93 of 100 (811324)
06-07-2017 7:17 AM
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06-07-2017 5:53 AM


Re: No contradictions
Yes it reads exactly like myth.

But wait, there's more.

The Bible has two mutually exclusive flood myths all mushed up together.

The Bible has two creation myths and they two contradict each other in the order of creation, the method of creation and in the descriptions of the god character.

In fact all of Genesis and Exodus read just like myths and folk tales.


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Message 94 of 100 (811326)
06-07-2017 7:28 AM
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06-07-2017 5:53 AM


Re: No contradictions
It reads like real history.

So does this chronology of part of the history of Tolkien's Middle Earth: http://lotr.wikia.com/wiki/Timeline_of_Arda

He was a superb story teller though - not many authors invent a coherent language with its own alphabet to underpin their work.

You will find his work, however, in the fantasy section and not the history section.

Edited by vimesey, : No reason given.


Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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Message 95 of 100 (811387)
06-07-2017 3:47 PM
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06-07-2017 5:53 AM


Re: No contradictions
Dredge writes:

Does this read like a myth? I don't think so. It reads like real history.


Hint: myths talk about what the gods are thinking; history doesn't.
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Message 96 of 100 (811491)
06-08-2017 7:00 PM
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06-07-2017 5:53 AM


Re: No contradictions
TRUE Dredge..... Genesis is exact and reads as history because it is history, and that contradicts the atheists and evolutionists and makes them mad at the worldwide flood and its proofs and exactness. So they fight it tooth and nail, and demand that their creationist opposition stops. So they attempt to shut them up, one way or another.

SEE and study the TRUE HISTORY OF THE FLOOD thread..... its my thread suggestion and my proofs, but it just straight from Genesis and anyone can prove it for themselves.....

There are no contradictions, in the geological amazing record. No missing links or misssing gaps, its all chronological and exact

I am not allowed to give my hyperlinks but anyone can find out the history for themselves if they search and are honest.

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Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Message 97 of 100 (811499)
06-08-2017 7:56 PM
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06-08-2017 7:00 PM


Re: No contradictions
TRUE Dredge..... Genesis is exact and reads as history because it is history, and that contradicts the atheists and evolutionists and makes them mad at the worldwide flood and its proofs and exactness. So they fight it tooth and nail, and demand that their creationist opposition stops. So they attempt to shut them up, one way or another.

SEE and study the TRUE HISTORY OF THE FLOOD thread..... its my thread suggestion and my proofs, but it just straight from Genesis and anyone can prove it for themselves.....

There are no contradictions, in the geological amazing record. No missing links or misssing gaps, its all chronological and exact

The flood at your "exact" date has been disproved. I posted the evidence a dozen times, but so far you have refused to acknowledge those posts or respond in any meaningful way.

You have no evidence, you lose.


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Message 98 of 100 (811501)
06-08-2017 8:05 PM
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06-08-2017 7:56 PM


Re: No contradictions
See TRUE HISTORY OF THE WORLDWIDE FLOOD... I have proven it and its exactness many times, if you dont like it so be it. Your problem. The dating has been solved and is EXACT. Deal with it.

And as you already know, I am not allowed to oppose your fantasities in science there, and so just hang out in the COFFEE SHOP and am teaching biblical and prophecy truths NOW.

The SCIENCE field is totally without opposition, as thats the only way evolutionists are used to operating and enforcing their luck and chance doctrine and theory.

Gensis 1 and 2 are not allegorical but literal... and the 24 hour day is justified rather than eons between the plant life creation and the sun creation by the Lord of all Creations... sometimes called the Lord of Lords and King of Kings.... also called JESUS.

Ha, I can supposedly write his NAME here becauyse this is the BIBLE sub-board, so I think I can get away with it. We shall see, oh how the evolutionsts/atheists complain...... even about the Bible.

Edited by Davidjay, : No reason given.


Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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Message 99 of 100 (811502)
06-08-2017 8:09 PM
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06-08-2017 8:05 PM


Re: No contradictions
See TRUE HISTORY OF THE WORLDWIDE FLOOD... I have proven it and its exactness many times, if you dont like it so be it. Your problem. The dating has been solved and is EXACT. Deal with it.

Your date may be "exact" but there was no flood at that "exact" time.

You read old tribal myths, I read the real-world evidence from the soils--and both my own research and that of archaeologists and geologists around the world say there was no such flood. Deal with it.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 100 of 100 (811513)
06-08-2017 10:37 PM
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06-08-2017 8:09 PM


Re: No contradictions
You must be a protected species ?

Thanks to the webmasters HERE for allowing me to defeat atheists and evolutionists HERE, and show they have no math, no science backing them up and that they are totally dependant on semantics and luck and chance as their only support for their religion. Thanks again...

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