Where Science And The Bible Meet

Error Page | shamar.orgI think you missed the point, not uncommon, so many do. As to Matthew 24:29 if you didn't notice those are red letter words. Jesus, the Creator of the universe, is speaking. This is the same man who walked on water, raised the dead, restored sight to blind men, cured the sick, calmed a storm with the words from His mouth, etc. etc. ect. He controls the universe. Why don't you read verse 30 while you are at it. That way when it happen's you can't say you where not warned. Perhaps you will even recognize it when you see it, and repent. When you control the universe, you can tell it to do what ever you want it to do, and it has no choice but to obay.

How does a star colapse in upon itself? If you could please explain. The text doesn't say where they will fall, only that they will, perhaps they will fall towards the center. But I'm not the Creator of the universe. Furthermore everything in space is in a constant state of freefall....Our planet is constantly falling around our sun, our moon is constanly falling around our planet....I don't know that I can answer your question with any degree of certainty, but I'm sure it will be an awsome spectical to watch! I can't wait. Get the popcorn ready.

Again you missunderstand the essence of God Almighty, the being that called the universe (and all the laws of physics therein) into existance by the Words of His mouth. There is no 'magic' involved, He created the Laws of the universe, and the universe itself, He is not bound by them, nor is He under their restraining power. We are, and the universe is, but He is not. You have absolutly no concept of what omnipotence is. It means ALL POWERFUL. Absolutly nothing, not even the laws He established to govern the universe, will stand against Him, they will ALL bow down and serve His will. So because, accourding to you, if it was created supernaturaly to function within the physical laws of the universe, which where established by the same Creator, it must therefore be unscientific? How then, if the universe was created suppernaturaly, can anything be scientific? Which law was established first in the Big Bang cosmology, the law of gravity, or the 1st law of thermodynamics? And what power did nothing have to establish these laws? If nothing (the absolute lack of anything, void, zero, zilch, zip, nada) can, accourding to science, create a universe from nothing by nothing, how much more, or less, can an All Powerful, omnipotent force of supernatural power, God, do? 1: Throne- Seat of power, soveriegnty over authorities and the law.
2: Lordship- Rank of dignaty, authority or power of a lord.
3: Principality- state office or authority, dominion, domain of jurisdiction
4: Authority- power to influence or command
5: consisted- existed

So certain are you? Hmm? What the Creator of the universe ment when these words He uttered.Ambiguous- capable of being understood in two or more possible senses or ways. Edited by imageinvisible, : added text in qs box

So, there is absolutely no way, in your mind, that the Creator of the universe, and all the laws which govern it, (who existed long before the universe was ever created) could possibly know this; because Galileo (who took clues from the Bible) didn't come up with the idea untill 16 hundred years later? How do you know what sense of the word fall the Creator of the universe was or was not using?

If you're so good at reading the sense of what the author of something is or is not tring to say even when He only says the word once. I give you five uses of the word Earth, tell me if can get the sense in which the author is using the word. How many people here bought Christmas gifts online and had them delivered directly to their recipiants?Edited by imageinvisible, : some spellingEdited by imageinvisible, : emphasisEdited by imageinvisible, : more ^

Does the qur'an offer eternal security? How about a Fatherly love?

Once again you missunderstand. Read the passages again. notice the word heaven and that it is used in the singular 3 times and in the plural only once. Appearently I confused you with the collapsing stars question, I was being sarcastic in response to this question. I appologize for the missunderstanding, appearantly sarcasm doesn't translate well in the written word. I then used the Galileon definition of the word fall to illustrate that all objects in space fall. I then hinted at a possiblity, toward a center of gravity. Your idea.... Is purely assumption. You are assuming that the passage was written for 1st cetury christians because that's who Jesus is speaking to; however, the passage is a prophacy concerning the future. He could have been (and I believe He is) talking to you and me. He could have ment stars, He also could have ment asteroids, meteors, comets (there is a passage in Revelation that speaks of 200 lbs. hail stones raining down on the earth, amoung other things), He could have been talking about satilites. There are even endtime prophacies in the old and new testiment where the term 'star' is refering to angels and/or deamons. You only have one line to work with here. There are plenty of other places in the Bible that speak (propheticaly) of stars being cast down. There are even a few verses that speak of the whole of creation (the universe) being roled up 'like' a scroll. (Hmm, sounds like a quantum singularity to me, at the very least a gravitational center) You might want to check those out before you start drawing conclusions. And no I wasn't changing the subject, I was illustrating your error in think that you know everthing.

Have you even READ the qur'an? It does NOT gauranty eternal security. You have to earn your way into allah's kngdom by killing infidels (like myself and the Jews). Neither does it offer a loving Father figure in allah. You might want to recheck your information on all those other religions as well because they don't offer eternal security either, they are all based on the idea that man can earn his way into 'heaven' and/or paradise.

And yet you chose to ignore the one claim I posted concerning science and the Bible and argue the off topic post, interesting. Apearently you have never read the Bible either, (or didn't understand what you read) even though you do elude to Mat. 25 (that's verse 33 btw). What you fail to realize is that those are red letter words, i.e. Jesus is speaking. Jesus also said something else in John 14:6 "I Am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father exept through Me." So that just blows your whole theory about muslims, atheists, and satanists (AS IF, none of which accept Jesus Christ as God, or even as the Son of God) being in heaven. Those who where formerly these and accepted Jesus Christ as the Son of the living God, and the Root of their salvation, sure. But not those who profess to be such.Now do you have any comments on Message 86 or not?

Aww, shucks for lil' O' me. Why thank you! You even gave me a present too! To be verbaly persecuted because of the Word of God and my belief in Him; that's the best birthday present I have ever received! (and no, this time I'm not being sarcatic, I'm actualy quite blessed and thankful) God bless you!As to believeing that the Bible was written for me personaly, I wouldn't quite go that far. That it was written for the church, those who followed Jesus in His day, and those who follow Him now, and for any who truly seak to know God, this is what I believe. It was just as relavent then as it is now, but even more so now. For as it was in the days of Noah, for as it was in the days of sodom and gamorah, for as it was in the days of Moses, and for as it was in the days of Christ Jesus the Messiah, so it is know.So do you have any relevant arguements to my posts or did you just come here to wish me happy birthday and bring me presents?

If everything in the book of revelation happened 1800 years ago, then why are there still things like, mountains and islands? Where is the Kingdom of God that you suppose descended from heaven and is said to rest in Jerusalem? Where's the marrage feast of the lamb? The thousand year reign? The new hevens and the new earth? And why is the sun still here? Like I said....if you read it, it didn't sink in.

This probably isn't the thread in which to tackle your misconceptions, (if there is one please direct IamJoseph and myself to it) but your assertions illustrate how little you understand of the OT, the Christ, and Christianity. and their coralation to one another. Actually it means that the only One who can is the LORD Himself, but He is unchanging and so is His law. The Christ (He said so himself) did not come to remove the Law but to fulfill the Law, Gods way, the only way it can be fulfilled. Jesus Himself said, In your search of the OT did you miss all the times when The LORD said," Therefore MY own arm brought salvation for ME." "So He became their Savior." "The planting of the LORD that He may be glorified." "Behold the LORD's hand is not shortened that it cannot save;" "For the LORD has comforted His people, He has redeemed Jerusalem. The LORD has made bare His Holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God....For the LORD will go before you." Isaiah 53; YLT - Who hath given credence to that which - Bible Gateway;John said of Him, "Behold the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world." He [Jesus] said of Himself,"Behold I Am the gate." "The Bread and the Light." Concerning the bread, "this is My body." concerning the wine, "this is My blood." [He is the bread and wine sacrifice] I say of Him, and the new and old testiment verify it, that He is the blood poured out on the mercy seat and is The High Priest, our intercesor, before the throne of God, in His Holy of Holies.