EvC Forum: The Bible has no contradictions

Hi This is my first post on the board here.
I was looking for answers to Bible contradictions when I found this board.

I have on a local board said "Bring on your Bible contradictions, lets roll heathen" in responce to a string of claims by a couple of non believers. I have no real fear that there are any real Bible contradictions but rather only Bible misunderstandings.

Will the death of my brother in law last week and one of my pcs down web time has been reduced. I don't have the extra time today to search each and every one on its own or read all eight pages here, so if you don't mind could I trouble you for some information so I may answer him quickly ? I assure you I will be back to read and post often, I really like what I've seen here this morning.

I feel certain these can be found in this thread, I will bbl to read the whole thing. If you could help me with these now I could not Thank You enough.

Thanks wally

Dr Gonzo Apr 21, 2003 2:42 AM

wally, is: "spare the rod spoil the child" in the bible?
um, *pharoah* is pretty vague for one. you'd think the name of the ruler under those circumstances would be remembered.
one of the gospels doesn't even mention the *virgin* birth (or was that *young girl*?)
history doesn't always agree with what the bible says was going on and scientific proof for evolution is pretty heavier than for a single set of humans appearing at some point in history.
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the ones that make attempts to debunk claim to know exactly where the bible is being literal and where it is being figurative and using metaphor. perhaps they know something the rest of the world doesn't? or maybe they jsut see what they want to be seen?
there's some more detailed stuff about how history and the bible don't always jive too, more on that later.

David Apr 21, 2003 3:31 AM

wally

I Samuel 15: 2 "Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt."KJV
3"Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."KJV

Deuteronomy 5:17 "Thou shalt not kill."KJV

Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and for ever."KJV

I believe these verses make my point but I can provide more if needed. I am making several assumptions about your beliefs. For instance I didn't provide any scripture reference for Jesus Christ being God incarnate I simply assume that you already believe that.

I would really like to see your answer for the apparent contradiction. And please take note the LORD of Host didn't just require his people to kill enemy soldiers. They were required to kill babies still breast feeding as well.

Your Brother Apr 21, 2003 5:02 AM

*****Deuteronomy 5:17 "Thou shalt not kill."

This is not what it says in the manuscripts. Lets go to Strong's Hebrew dictionary and look up the word as used here for "kill", # 7523. "ratsach, raw-tsakh'; a prime root; properly to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being, especially to murder: [this is not to kill a murderer but to murder]

ut to death, manslay, murder (er)." This is why that Jesus said also in one of the Gospels translated it even more in detail.

Matthew 5:21 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:' "

"kill as uses in the Greek text here is # 5407 in Strong's Greek dictionary; "Phoneuo, from 5406, to be a murderer (of), kill, do murder, slay." Then in # 5406 we read; "Phoneus, fon-yoooce'; a murderer (always of criminal [or at least intentional] homicide; which # 443 does not imply, while #4607 is a specific term for a public bandit):- murderer."

It is necessary that a soldier and those in combat take the life of another person, and this does not cover that type of taking of a life. It also does not apply to the taking of the life of an animal for the sake of sport or for food, but it directed only to the criminal act of homicide, the preplanned and calculated taking of a life of another human being. An accidental death is not an homicide, and that is why God instructed Moses to set up those cities of refuge, as we read in the last chapter. Thou shalt not commit the vicious act of premeditative murder.*****

{Murder is what it means. Not simply killing which is an act that shall be judged. Now on to your other verse.}

*****I Samuel 15:2 "Thus saith the Lord of hosts, `Remember that which Amalek did to Israel, how he laid wait for him in the way, when he came up from Egypt."

Amalek was the son of Esau, and when the Israelites were wandering in the desert for those forty years, after being released from their captivity in Egypt, the Amalekites plotted and laid wait to destroy the Israelites. They were relatives of the Israelites, and they sought to take advantage of their own kin. God doesn't approve of relatives turning on their own kin.

I Samuel 15:3 "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.' "

This is God's command to Saul, the king of Israel, for it is payback time to those who would plot against God's people. "Utterly destroy all that they have", and that command included not only the men, but the woman and children. Even "the infant and the suckling" child. The order by God was to destroy not only what they have, but all of them that are with them also.*****

{God was telling the Israelites to defend themselves by utterly destroying their enemies. Not unlike our recent involvement in Iraq. We went into Iraq to destroy the evil that may at any moment attempt to destroy us.

David, God is God and the judge of all mankind. For you to assume that this short time on earth we have, is not a gift of His, where we are placed here to have the chance to learn and earn His gift of everlasting life, then I doubt you will comprehend that it is His right to take these gifts away.

You have to believe or know that God created all, and God can take it all away from each of us just as easily. Death is a consequence of life, it is up to Him, when we will stand before him in judgement.

You would be wise to seek answers, but not to persecute others for having faith which you lack.

I hope this has helped answer your questions. Good luck to you David.}

Top20Burnout Apr 21, 2003 8:36 AM

**God was telling the Israelites to defend themselves by utterly destroying their enemies. Not unlike our recent involvement in Iraq. We went into Iraq to destroy the evil that may at any moment attempt to destroy us.**

Well, we aren't Israelites - not all of us, anyway. Are you saying the US war on Iraq was for Israel? Or are you saying this gives us the moral right to destroy people who haven't attacked us?

And how did we know that this "evil" was going to rise up at any moment and attempt to destroy us? Did God tell somebody?

And what's to stop some other "evil" from doing that in spite of (or because of) the war on Iraq?

And -- wait a minute -- I thought "Operation Iraqi Freedom" was for the purpose of liberating Iraqis!

And what else would you call the manufacture, delivery, and utilization of cluster bombs, if not premeditated murder?

Would you go to your neighbor's house and kill him because he has a gun, and might someday use it to kill you? If not, why not?

wally Apr 21, 2003 9:13 AM

is: "spare the rod spoil the child" in the bible? No.

I'll work on the rest later as I have time, Mondays are busy and I still have a pc down. Don't go anywhere "I'll be back".

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