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Author Topic:   Citing Middle Eastern Prophecy Being Fulfilled
Taz
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Message 8 of 131 (460000)
03-11-2008 9:00 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
03-11-2008 8:46 PM


Re: Wrong technology for the wrong times.
Buzsaw writes:
2. Perhaps by the time Armageddon happens horses will be the major carriers of the combatants and lethal portable weaponry. Horses can go where no tanks can go. Sophisticated lethal weaponry has become more portable than ever. The likelihood of missile launchers designed for footmen and horseback is quite conceivable. As well, the people of those nations are big into horses.
At the beginning of WW2, Germany invaded Poland using tanks and planes only to meet the Polish army on horsebacks. If I remember my history correctly, the Polish army and their horses won a major victory and bombed Germany almost back to the stone age. Oh wait, it was the other way around.
But seriously, I think Tal would disagree with you on this one.

Thou shalt accept Prometheus as thy savior for HE is the true light of Humanity and the World.

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Taz
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Message 12 of 131 (460053)
03-12-2008 12:22 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by bluegenes
03-12-2008 6:11 AM


bluegenes writes:
Well, we can be sure that it isn't now, as there's no Prince called Gog charging around on a horse with a sword in one hand and a shield on the other.
To be fair, isn't it possible that the prophets were given by god images of the future but they were unable to understand those images and so wrote down in terms of what they could understand?
Think of it this way. Suppose in the future people exist in a form that is to us today unimaginable. If you are given a glimpse of this future, you will undoubtedly write down your own interpretation, that people will be made of pure energy or light or what have you. But the reality might be even stranger than that.
Say that the prophets were given images of rockets and rocket launchers. They asked god "what the hell are those?" and god explained to them that one launches the other and the other goes off to kill people. "Oh, you mean those are bows and arrows?" they exclaimed. God, rolling his eyes, said "yes, I suppose you could look at them that way." And so, they wrote down bows and arrows.
You don't even have to go too far back to get an example of people portraying the future the way they see their own present. Anyone who's seen Star Trek the Original knows this. Kirk was a sexist pig. All the women on board the Federation Flag Ship wore short miniskirts. They used a communication device that seemed several generations behind our cell phones. They even imagined that life must have evolved on other worlds in parallel with our own. There was even an episode where they found an alien world where after 6 hundred years the American Revolutionary War still went on and the American Colonists were still fighting the British for independence. Heck, even their Declaration of Independence was exactly identical to our Declaration of Independence word for word.
Let's face it. People write down events of the future the way they see their own present. You can't disprove a prophecy by pointing out the prophet used the words "bows" and "arrows" instead of "rocket launchers" and "rockets". For all we know, the prophets could have seen the future but was unable to comprehend what they saw. Heck, we have people today that still can't comprehend what they see in their lifetime. In another thread I'm already having enough trouble trying to convince someone that radio waves are not some magical thing that you have faith in.

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Taz
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Message 21 of 131 (460108)
03-12-2008 6:50 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by bluegenes
03-12-2008 2:39 PM


bluegenes writes:
If second comings are second comings, then bows and arrows are bows and arrows, and horses are horses, and swords are swords.
Let me ask you this. Let us suppose that those prophets really did see the future (modern times no less). They were shown by god of missiles, nuclear bombs, jet fighters, etc. Without the proper words and proper contexts, how do you suppose they should have written them into words used by ancient people? Now, remember that they themselves probably didn't understand how the flying fuck those jet fighters fly or how the hell those nuclear bombs blow. All they saw were battles in the air, missiles flying to kill their targets, and bombs incinerating whole cities.

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Taz
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Message 24 of 131 (460128)
03-12-2008 10:01 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by bluegenes
03-12-2008 8:30 PM


Since I'm hard-headed and I only want to win an argument no matter the cost, here goes.
Perhaps god gave them a vague vision instead of a movie-like vision. Have you ever had a dream that seemed really real? What if their vision was more or less like a dream? What happened was they had a dream-like vision of the future but then their primitive minds translated those specific things like nuclear explosions and missiles into lightning and arrows.
And if that doesn't convince you lurkers, just think of it this way. Only an idiot would come up with a username as stupid as "bluegenes".

Thou shalt accept Prometheus as thy savior for HE is the true light of Humanity and the World.

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Taz
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Message 27 of 131 (460135)
03-12-2008 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by bluegenes
03-12-2008 10:05 PM


bluegenes writes:
I spent some time there around 20 years ago, and I didn't see a single person carrying a sword.
A zombie apocalypse would result in a permanent halt of modern weapons manufacturing. After a decade or so of battling with zombies, the remaining humans will have to resort to using swords and bows and arrows.

Thou shalt accept Prometheus as thy savior for HE is the true light of Humanity and the World.

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Taz
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Message 31 of 131 (460143)
03-12-2008 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by bluegenes
03-12-2008 10:48 PM


Read Buzsaw's message #30. See? He agrees with me.

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