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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 126 (59006)
10-01-2003 8:01 PM
Reply to: Message 38 by Rei
09-30-2003 11:09 PM


Re: Prophecies
quote:
If you look at the world, yes, there are lots of people being killed in violence. But the majority aren't Christians.

Those killed by their own governments and their own countrymen are majority Christian. Otherwise the world body doesn't tolerate it, as was the case in the Balkans, Israel, Chile, South Africa, Rhodesia, etc.


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Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 126 (59010)
10-01-2003 8:34 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by wj
09-30-2003 3:00 AM


quote:
In the same region? Well the Baltic states (Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia) are north-western Europe; the Balkans (Bosnia, Croatia, Herzogovina(sp?), Montenegro, Serbia, Macedonia etc.) are south-eastern Europe.

I stand corrected. Thanks, wi, for the education on this.


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Andya Primanda
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Message 48 of 126 (59058)
10-02-2003 5:07 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Buzsaw
10-01-2003 8:01 PM


Re: Prophecies
Mr Buz, if your prophecy fits so well with current times, then tell me about the role of Islam and Muslims in it. I really want to know. Do we get to kill or be killed by anyone? Will we be fighting Jews, marching to Vatican, destroyed by plague, whatever? Tell me! I am sure this prophecy of yours is not just for Christians.
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Peter
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Message 49 of 126 (65543)
11-10-2003 8:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
09-28-2003 11:10 PM


It seems to me (having reda through this thread) that one
could (as is often the case with prophesy) shoe-horn pretty
much anything to fit by assuming certain areas are metaphors
etc. etc. etc.

Rome seems a good bet -- and didn't the 'world' end close
on a couple thousand years ago and plunge humanity into the
void that is the dark ages?

Apart from anything else it seems to me that the things mentioned
pretty well fit the McDonald's corporation ...


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Buzsaw
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Message 50 of 126 (474651)
07-09-2008 10:57 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by PaulK
10-01-2003 4:26 AM


Re: Prophecies
PaulK writes:

As I've pointed out even your distorted reading is not a good fit for Vatican City. The city itself does not rule over various peoples nor doea it hold any significant amount of territory on any continent other than Europe (and very little even there).

Ancient Rome on the other hand was famous for being built on seven hills - a reference that would be understood by readers from the time it was written until now. It did indeed rule over vast areas of land and over many people - and at the time of Nero (which fits with the comment on the seven Kings) it had persecuted Christians and did demand worship of the Imperial cult (that is worshipping dead Emperors as Gods).

Quite frankly I think that the main reason is that you hate Catholics (and Muslims).

I would also point out that complaining about UN intervention in the Balkans amounts to an endorsement of "ethnic cleansing". If that is not what you beleive I suggest that a retraction and clarification is in order.

1. There was a time in history subsequent to the time of the prophecy to the tune of several centuries when the popes of Rome essentially ruled the rulers of the world, i.e. ".....kings of the earth have commited fornication with her." (Revelation 18:3). The world body to this day has given (imo) undue respect to Vatican City, allowing it a place in the world body with ambassadors etc.

2. My understanding of the typography of Rome is that it does not sit on seven hills but that there are seven hills in the region of the city. I see the seven hills as the seven continents of the world so far as the prophecy goes.

3. There you go again.....spinning factual information relative to someone or something into hate simply because the facts implicate a negative connotation.


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Hyroglyphx
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Message 51 of 126 (474655)
07-09-2008 11:23 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Buzsaw
09-28-2003 11:10 PM


The Vatican
My guess would be the Vatican. I'll take the "Vatican City" for $400, Alex ;)
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anglagard
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Message 52 of 126 (474664)
07-10-2008 12:36 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
07-09-2008 10:57 PM


Re: Prophecies
Buzsaw writes:

1. There was a time in history subsequent to the time of the prophecy to the tune of several centuries when the popes of Rome essentially ruled the rulers of the world, i.e. ".....kings of the earth have commited fornication with her." (Revelation 18:3). The world body to this day has given (imo) undue respect to Vatican City, allowing it a place in the world body with ambassadors etc.

Bet that was news to the Emperor of China, the Princes of India, the King of Siam, the Tokugawa Shogunate, the Bantu kingdoms, and the Ottoman Empire. Guess over half the world's population don't count in your definition of humanity.

Maybe your image of world history at any given time is too provincial for a self-proclaimed infallible interpretation of Biblical prophecy.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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DrJones*
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Message 53 of 126 (474665)
07-10-2008 12:43 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
07-09-2008 10:57 PM


Re: Prophecies
The world body to this day has given (imo) undue respect to Vatican City, allowing it a place in the world body with ambassadors etc.

What is undue about treating one sovereign country like the rest?


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anglagard
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From: Big Spring, TX, USA
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Message 54 of 126 (474667)
07-10-2008 12:53 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Coragyps
09-29-2003 11:04 AM


Coragyps writes:

Sterling City, Texas

:laugh:

Sorry, joke has local flavor. Back to your regularly scheduled BS in this thread.


Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon

The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza


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Buzsaw
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Message 55 of 126 (474684)
07-10-2008 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by anglagard
07-10-2008 12:36 AM


Re: Prophecies
anglagard writes:

Bet that was news to the Emperor of China, the Princes of India, the King of Siam, the Tokugawa Shogunate, the Bantu kingdoms, and the Ottoman Empire. Guess over half the world's population don't count in your definition of humanity.

Maybe your image of world history at any given time is too provincial for a self-proclaimed infallible interpretation of Biblical prophecy.

1. The prophecy pertained to a time when the rulers of prominent nations were subject to the oppressive religion of one city, Vatican City.

2. There were exceptions pertaining to time periods in history as well as nations. The prophecy is significant in that a city has existed for many centuries which was capable of such a fulfillment.

3. As in other prophecies like those of Daniel etc, one must consider all of the corroborating evidence relative to the prophecy. (A review of this thread will bring that evidence up which I've cited.)


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Buzsaw
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Message 56 of 126 (474686)
07-10-2008 8:20 AM
Reply to: Message 53 by DrJones*
07-10-2008 12:43 AM


Re: Prophecies
DrJones writes:

What is undue about treating one sovereign country like the rest?

1. Vatican City is not a nation/country. It's a religious hierarchical city.

2. The world body is committing illegitimate political fornication with this religious entity.


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Buzsaw
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Message 57 of 126 (474688)
07-10-2008 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by Hyroglyphx
07-09-2008 11:23 PM


Re: The Vatican
Hi Nems; sure glad you're active again. You're too late for a prize however. Way back five years ago, in '03, this correct answer was posted on page one.
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subbie
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Message 58 of 126 (474690)
07-10-2008 8:38 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
07-09-2008 10:57 PM


Re: Prophecies
quote:
I see the seven hills as the seven continents of the world so far as the prophecy goes.

If you had any actual evidence that the writer knew that there were 7 continents, that would impress me greatly. But, beyond that, exactly how does Vatican City rule over Antarctica? I mean, I know nuns are sometimes called penguins, but I always took that to refer to a somewhat imaginative comparison to appearance. Are you suggesting that penguins are in reality agents for the Catholic Church?


Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin Franklin

We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat


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RickJB
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Message 59 of 126 (474691)
07-10-2008 8:40 AM
Reply to: Message 50 by Buzsaw
07-09-2008 10:57 PM


Re: Prophecies
Buz writes:

2. My understanding of the typography of Rome is that it does not sit on seven hills but that there are seven hills in the region of the city. I see the seven hills as the seven continents of the world so far as the prophecy goes.

I think you mean "topography".

Also, Rome did indeed cover seven hills.

Seven hills of Rome


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Brian
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Message 60 of 126 (474703)
07-10-2008 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by Buzsaw
07-10-2008 8:20 AM


Re: Prophecies
1. Vatican City is not a nation/country. It's a religious hierarchical city.

Vatican City is the name of the country, the city IS the country.

2. The world body is committing illegitimate political fornication with this religious entity.

Why are the USA and UK allowing Israel to slaughter innocent Palestinian men, women, and children?

It's all politics Buz.


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