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Buzsaw
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Message 121 of 126 (605654)
02-21-2011 12:03 PM
Reply to: Message 119 by New Cat's Eye
02-21-2011 11:44 AM


Re: Nearly All Nations Occupy Embassies
Catholic Scientist writes:

Please cite how Washington owns real estate in all nations, as is the case with Vatican City/The RCC.

Embassies.

There is nothing illegitimate about diplomatic embassies. Nearly all nations have them, which renders your point a non-sequitur.

Btw, who actually owns the real estate of embassies? Does the US, for example, legitimately own the embassy which we once occupied in Iran and such abandoned properties in other nations?


BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
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jar
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Message 122 of 126 (605657)
02-21-2011 12:20 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Buzsaw
02-21-2011 11:34 AM


Re: DC Fails On All Counts.
Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

See Message 103.

Washington, DC is the city that most closely matches the prophecy.

These two messages are bare one line assertions. You need to show how Washington DC meets each criteria on the list.

Well, let's look at your examples based on quote mining.

Buz writes:

l. Sits on "many waters" (verse 1) which are interpreted in verse 15
as peoples, nations and tongues. So this city owns property all over the planet.

The US Government owns property all over the world.

Please cite how Washington owns real estate in all nations, as is the case with Vatican City/The RCC.

quote:
The Catholic Church has numerous assets, including a vast amount of real estate. It owns more land globally than any other organization on the planet,

Called Embassies, consulates, military bases, occupying armies, CIA owned properties Buz.

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Buz writes:

2. Verse 2.....has had illicit dealings with the kings of the earth, indicative of being known for involvement around the earth with a lot of political activity.

the US government has a tradition of illicit dealings with foreign governments like the Iran Contra deals and the overthrow of democratically elected leaders and support of terrorists.

By and large, the US government has had legitimate protocol diplomatic relations with the nations of the world. Not so when the religious popes and bishops of Vatican City once essentially ruled the prominent European nations of the Middle/Medieval Ages.

Tell that to Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, Columbia, Chile, Argentina, Panama, Vietnam, Cambodia, Hawaii, Florida, Haiti, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Mexico, the Dominican Republic, Honduras ...

... shall I go on?

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Buz writes:

3. Verse 4....Some prominent colors visible around the city and her foreign properties are red, purple and gold as well as lavish and expensive things like precious stones, etc. In other words, known for a lot of fancy stuff and glitter.

US Embassies are known for their lavish furnishings. The US is known for style over substance and lack of taste.

Gong! Your response is a non-sequitur, having nothing to do with the prominent colors and extent of lavish furnishings observed in Vatican City. What US diplomat sits on a golden throne, embellished with precious stones? What diplomats wear scarlet robes as the Cardinals of Vatican City do? What assemblies in the embassies have purple drapes bordered with gold trim, etc?

Get real Buz. The Diplomats of the Vatican wear their normal clothes, usually suits. Cardinals wear scarlet when in ecclesiastic costume.

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Buz writes:

4. verse 6....Involved with some nasty stuff like causing the death of Christians to the extent of being "drunken" with their blood.

The US has a history of very nasty stuff, overthrowing governments, causing the deaths of believers and non-believers alike, like vetoing the condemnation of Israel building settlements in Palestine.

Another non-sequitur. Traditionally, the US has engaged in wars for the purpose of freedom of our own citizens and those of other nations.

Wars have been with the nations throughout recorded history, most of which involve loss of innocent lives.

OTO, religious Vatican City, like Islam has a history of holocaust perpetrated upon evangelical Christians.

Tell that to Florida, Hawaii, Texas, Arizona, Mew Mexico, California ...

... shall I go on?

No nation kills as effectively as the US.

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Buz writes:

5. verse 3......Sits upon a descriptive metaphoric "beast" whose 7 heads are seven hills/mountains/geological locations and whose 10 horns are ten kings/kingdoms.
Note here that she sits among the nations so imo, one must assume that these "hills" are also global. The only global "hill"/high places I know of that are global are the continents of the planet. There is only one city on the face of the earth which actually owns vast real estate on the earth's continents.

The US Government owns vast real estate on all of the continents.

Again, how many and which nations does our government actually own real estate, globally, to the extent that Vatican City/RCC does?

Actually, the US owns far more real estate than the Vatican ever dreamed of.

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Buz writes:

6. verse 16....The ten beast kings shall come to hate the city and shall persecute her and eventually cause her destruction. (This rules out the beast as being one and the same as the city (as some responders in this thread have determined.

There are many people that would like to destroy Washington, DC.

Mmm, perhaps in the past, more so than now, being that our Obama regime has thrown Israel and other allies under the bus and cow-towed to Islamic entities.

HUH?

While I agree that Israel does deserve to be on the list of terrorist nations, unfortunately we have not yet taken that step. In fact we just vetoed the condemnation of Israel for its continued expansion into Palestinian territories.

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Buz writes:

7. verse 18.....The city has at some time or other been known to actually have exercised ruling power over the kings of the earth.

The US has held ruling power over many nations.

Not so, to the extent of the Middle Ages. The WWII nations of Europe and others like the Pacific Isles and Japan have been liberated, unlike the intents of Vatican City in medieval times.

HUH?

I know that you have never read the Bible, but have you never studied any history either?

Vatican City did not even become an independent state until 1929.

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Buz writes:

8. Chapter 18, verses 11-13: She is involved in all kinds of commercial things, fine things and even in the souls of men, indicative of a religious element.

The US government is involved in all kinds of commercial things and certainly tries to deal in the souls of men, witness the National Day of Prayer and the religious motto on currency and inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance.

By and large the US has been the bastion for religious freedom as per the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Vatican City's history has been just the opposite.

Nonsense. Some support please.

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

There is little doubt that both Babylon and the Great Satan are the US symbolized by it's capital city, Washington, DC.

GONG, on all counts. Nice try. Nothing, whatsoever, comes close to Vatican City, as described in the great prophecy of Mystery Babylon, corroborated by so much other which we are observing on the global scene.

Yet again, learn a little history and stop claiming corroboration when you have NEVER presented any on any subject.


Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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ringo
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Message 123 of 126 (605660)
02-21-2011 12:33 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Buzsaw
02-21-2011 11:34 AM


Re: DC Fails On All Counts.
Buzsaw writes:

... the religious popes and bishops of Vatican City once essentially ruled the prominent European nations of the Middle/Medieval Ages.

Buzsaw writes:

The WWII nations of Europe and others like the Pacific Isles and Japan have been liberated, unlike the intents of Vatican City in medieval times.

Why are you harping on the Middle Ages? Surely that diminishes your contention that the Revelation pertains to our time.


"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 124 of 126 (605661)
02-21-2011 12:34 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Buzsaw
02-21-2011 12:03 PM


Re: Nearly All Nations Occupy Embassies
Catholic Scientist writes:

Please cite how Washington owns real estate in all nations, as is the case with Vatican City/The RCC.

Embassies.

There is nothing illegitimate about diplomatic embassies. Nearly all nations have them, which renders your point a non-sequitur.

Well, I was answering a direct question. And why do they have to be illegitimate?

Btw, who actually owns the real estate of embassies? Does the US, for example, legitimately own the embassy which we once occupied in Iran and such abandoned properties in other nations?

I'd bet that they do, although whether or not that matters depends on how metaphorical you're willing to get... whether sitting on many waters requires true ownership of the actual land


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yuanyelss 
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Message 125 of 126 (609038)
03-16-2011 5:39 AM


Ancient Rome. You can not get more obvious. Rome is famous for sitting on seven hills, its color is red (blood), gold (money), purple (Imperial color), which ruled most of the world, in many waters, sitting in a large number of death Christians, etc...

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Philip
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Message 126 of 126 (613137)
04-21-2011 10:26 PM
Reply to: Message 125 by yuanyelss
03-16-2011 5:39 AM


Name it
"That City"

A lot of speculations ... so I'll add my speculations (excuse me if they are already mentioned) ...

1) Why can it not be 'related' to Babylon-as-the-'city-head', like the head of Daniel's Image's head ... that connects to the 10 toes of the same image (Daniel 2, etc.) ... and/or

2) Can the city not be invisible and spread out everywhere (as some here may have alluded, IIRC)? (The city being a metaphysical kingdom comprised of souls/psyches)

3) The principalities, precepts, governments, etc. seem all-too-similar to 'Babylon' ... hence the name 'Babylon' seems appropriate, today (to my understanding).

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Edited by Philip, : Edit for grammar --haha!


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